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Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth Purkis (spinster, minor) married Henry Bray (bachelor, full age) at Portsea on 28 March 1849 by licence. Her abode was Daniel Street, Henry's abode was Queen Street. Her father was Charles Purkis - occupation butcher. Henry's father was John Bray, his occupation was grocer the same as Henry. The witnesses were Charles Purkis and another Purkis who just signed with initials for the forenames which looks like M.A.

Baptisms in Portsea
8 June 1823 - Charles Henry Purkis s/o Charles and Elizabeth, of Daniel Street, butcher
14 Sept 1824 - Mary Ann Purkis d/o Charles and Elizabeth. of Daniel Street, butcher
28 Feb 1826 - Emma Purkis d/o Charles and Elizabeth, of Daniel Street, butcher
3 Jan 1828 - George Purkis s/o Charles and Elizabeth of Daniel Street, butcher
3 May 1829 - Elizabeth Purkis d/o George and Elizabeth, of Daniel Street, butcher

I can't find a George who is also a butcher in Daniel street, so think must be a mistake by the vicar.

In 1841 at 39 Daniel Street
Charles Purkis age 40 occ butcher
Charles H Purkis age 15 (looks like ditto for occupation)
Elizabeth Purkis age 15
George Purkis age 15 (no occupation)
plus two servants.

There is a marriage for Charles Purkis and Elizabeth Cox in 1822 and a burial for Elizabeth Purkis, wife of Charles Purkis of Daniel Street in 1833.

But now it gets confusing

In 1851 in Lower East Street
John J Bray age 28 head mar grocer
Henry Bray age 25 brother mar grocer
Elizabeth Lovell age 41 aunt widow
Elizabeth Bray age 22 sister (looks like mar has been changed to ditto)
Is this Elizabeth sister to the Bray brothers and actually a widow or is she John's s-i-law and therefore Henry's wife

In 39 Daniel street in 1851
Charles Purkis age 51 head widower butcher employing 3 men
Elizabeth Purkis age 27 daughter unmarried
plus two servants

Is this a mistake and she is actually one of the older sisters - Emma or Mary Ann?
Has anyone an explanation, please?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:09 GMT (UK) »
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I can't find a George who is also a butcher in Daniel street, so think must be a mistake by the vicar.

Son George was only b 1828.  Do you mean Charles?
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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Are you already aware that Elizabeth Bray married Harvey Stevens in 1860 - the children from her marriage to Henry Bray are with her in 1861.  Elizabeth  was born 1829 Portsea

First Bray/Purkis child was Frederick b Dec qtr 1851

RG9 Piece 632 Folio 14 Page 22

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Henry Bray died 1856 aged 30
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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:35 GMT (UK) »
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I can't find a George who is also a butcher in Daniel street, so think must be a mistake by the vicar.

Son George was only b 1828.  Do you mean Charles?

The baptism record for Elizabeth has her father as George not Charles, of Daniel Street, occupation butcher. As there does not seem to be a George in Daniel street with a wife called Elizabeth, I think the vicar has written the wrong name for the father.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Re: the 2 1851 entries.  Did Henry Bray have a sister Elizabeth?
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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Are you already aware that Elizabeth Bray married Harvey Stevens in 1860 - the children from her marriage to Henry Bray are with her in 1861.  Elizabeth  was born 1829 Portsea

First Bray/Purkis child was Frederick b Dec qtr 1851

RG9 Piece 632 Folio 14 Page 22

Yes, she seems to have liking for grocers. And there were the same two witnesses, her father Charles, signature same as on her first marriage record, and on his own, although he signed C Purkis on that, the surname looks the same. I think M.A. Purkis is her still single sister Mary Ann.

But who is with Charles in 1851?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:52 GMT (UK) »
If Henry had a sister Elizabeth - you have your answer and wife Elizabeth (newly pregnant) is with dad Charles

If Henry didn't have a sister Elizabeth - mmmmm??
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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 17:55 GMT (UK) »
1841 has an Eliza Bray b 1829 - father John is a grocer

HO107 Piece 417/5 Folio 6 Page 7
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Re: Confused about Elizabeth Purkis of Portsea
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 18:41 GMT (UK) »
and wife Elizabeth (newly pregnant) is with dad Charles


but she is down as unmarried and surname Purkis.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott