James or Thomas Keenan 1800

[Puffin81]

I’m looking for James or Thomas Keenan est birth 1800.  Died / dissapeared from family between 1838 to 1851

Married to Jane who was born 1799 (census information)

Son bartholomew born 1839.

I can’t find anything for the marriage, the birth of bartholomew (or siblings) which would hopefully help me to find the births of the parents

Siblings of bartholomew are James 1835 and Mary 1831, but i suspect more as I don’t believe a first child at 30 would be likely

Siblings and bartholomew all state birthplace of Ireland

I’ve mostly searched on roots, find my past and ancestry

[oldohiohome]

It sounds like you are working backward (good) from UK or US censuses, since you have dates and country of births. Do you have anything more specific for where in Ireland the children were born? If so, you could look for parish records at nli.ie.

Where was James/Thomas last seen? It sounds like he did not show up on an 1851 census. Where was the rest of the family that year?

Why the doubt about his given name?

[Puffin81]

Uk census.

I’ve nothing about where any of them were born.  In 1851 the rest of his family were living in tents in Carlisle.  I can’t work out if Jane states married or widow on this census, but she definitely declares as widow in 1861

I know he must have been around in 1838 as this was when youngest son I’m aware of was born.

The Carlisle registry office has him as James when they transcribed the church marriage record for bartholomew, but I have a new copy of the marriage certificate which looks like Thomas. It also stated he is deceased in 1858 and that he was a soldier.  The marriage is catholic

[oldohiohome]

I didn't find any matches for the children on the free baptism index at findmypast.ie and I didn't find any deaths for Thomas Keenan in Cumberland from 1838 to 1858 at freebmd.org.uk.
Maybe some other readers will have some ideas.

[Puffin81]

I didn't find any matches for the children on the free baptism index at findmypast.ie and I didn't find any deaths for Thomas Keenan in Cumberland from 1838 to 1858 at freebmd.org.uk.
Maybe some other readers will have some ideas.

I can’t find any of the family in England census in 1841 so it’s possible the father died in Ireland and the wife came over to England with her now married daughter, who I can’t find a record of getting married either.

Attached is the census entry for 1851.  As you can see Jane is camping with her daughter Mary mccluskey.  Who’s youngest Child (2 years) was born in Cumberland,whiles the other were Ireland, so I assume they are new to the uk.

The odd thing is there are 2 older children I suspect aren’t actually Mary’s (Daniel & a daughter) due to the gap between their ages and marys baby daughter and the fact Mary would have had them when she was 8 and 12.  So it’s possible these were janes children too.  This is the oldest record I can find for them.

[shanreagh]

I don't think I have seen a census record so comprehensively crossed out after assessing the info on it.

I am looking at Jane's entry and I cannot make Keenan out of the writing that it there. She may be using her maiden name again. Looks like XXissan.
The children entered under her entry are James aged 16 and Bartholomeu aged 13. There is a ditto showing that they also share the name of the Jane immediately above. 

The other idea could be that Daniel and John McCluskey/McClousky are the children of the father shown as William (I am not seeing Daniel as the father?) McCluskey and a prior wife to Mary.

What does the writing to the left of the entry say?

[shanreagh]

Is this them in 1871 census?

William Mccluskey   Head   M   44   Ireland
Mary Ann Mccluskey   Wife   F   41   Ireland
Jane Mccluskey   Daughter   F   22   New Town Of Erington, Cumberland
James Mccluskey   Son   M   18   Carlisle, Cumberland
Mary Ann Mccluskey   Daughter   F   2   Haltwhistle, Northumberland
John Shaw   Son-in-law   M   25   Carlisle, Cumberland
William Shaw   Grandson   M   4   Haltwhistle, Northumberland
John James Shaw   Grandson   M   2   Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Catherine Shaw   Granddaughter   F   1   Haltwhistle, Northumberland

"England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch

[shanreagh]

I think you might find them elsewhere in the record and this would explain the crossing out as it is to stop them being double counted.

From my reading the bit at the side says
'These eight persons slept in tents and are in Table b(?)'

Have you found table b? What is the exact name of the place of the census other than Carlisle?  You may find them there as an addition to the census. 

[shanreagh]

UK Census 1861
Household

William Mc Clusky   Head   M   33   Ireland
Mary Mc Clusky   Wife   F   30   Ireland
Jane Mc Clusky   Daughter   F   12   Erdington, Cumberland
John Mc Clusky   Son   M   10   ..., Cumberland
James Mc Clusky   Son   M   7   Carlisle, Cumberland
Jane Keenan   Mother In Law   F   62   Ireland
Patrick Mc Guinn   Lodger   M   42   Ireland
John Thompson   Lodger   M   52   Ireland
James Malone   Lodger   M   35   Ireland
Robert Stewart   Lodger   M   43   Ireland

From FS. Not sure if the images are on Find my Past.
More clues might be to see if you can see if the four irish men boarding are from a particular place in Ireland.....might have been advised to go to Northumberland and look up the McClusky family if they wanted board.