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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:04 GMT (UK) »
The Derby electoral registers might have been a good place to look.
Free index has various Vernons
King's Mead, 1928-31
Florence Mary Vernon, William Vernon, etc.
(same image number)

Where are these Derby electoral registers, Jon? Ancestry doesn't seem to have them.

The Vernons are mostly known (there are a lot of them) but can you see any Vaseys? Or a Winiffred Vernon? (under 30 so not in the 20s).

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Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:11 GMT (UK) »
List of children:

Harold Vasey, mmn Carter, Dec qtr 1900 King’s Norton
Walter Lawrance Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1902 Leeds
Donald Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1903 Leeds (died aged 1 in Dewsbury, Dec qtr 1904)
Dorothy Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1903 Leeds
Donald Vasey, mmn Stevens, Sep qtr 1905 Rochdale
Mona Vasey, mmn Stevens, Dec qtr 1906 Rochdale
Wilfred Vasey, mmn Stevens, Dec qtr 1907 Littleborough (died aged 3 in Derby, Mar qtr 1911)
Winifred Vasey, c1910
Douglas Vasey, mmn Carter, Dec qtr 1911 Derby
Leslie Vasey, mmn Stevens, Jun qtr 1915 Derby
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:23 GMT (UK) »
List of children:

Harold Vasey, mmn Carter, Dec qtr 1900 King’s Norton
Walter Lawrance Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1902 Leeds
Donald Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1903 Leeds (died aged 1 in Dewsbury, Dec qtr 1904)
Dorothy Vasey, mmn Carter, Mar qtr 1903 Leeds
Donald Vasey, mmn Stevens, Sep qtr 1905 Rochdale
Mona Vasey, mmn Stevens, Dec qtr 1906 Rochdale
Wilfred Vasey, mmn Stevens, Dec qtr 1907 Littleborough (died aged 3 in Derby, Mar qtr 1911)
Winifred Vasey, c1910
Douglas Vasey, mmn Carter, Dec qtr 1911 Derby
Leslie Vasey, mmn Stevens, Jun qtr 1915 Derby

I'm more confused than ever. Are these two families, or did Walter or Isabel marry twice? I'm struggling to find any marriage for them. I suppose Douglas' birth MMN could be a mistake.
Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:25 GMT (UK) »
An online tree has Isabel’s birth name as Mary Martha Isabel Carter.

She seems to have had a son, Frank Stephens, in 1898 before meeting Walter (see last census).  He was Frank Vasey on his school record, as previously mentioned.

The mmns on the Vasey children’s births vary between Carter and Stevens - the latter may have been her previous “married” name, though I can’t see that she was ever lawfully married.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:34 GMT (UK) »

She seems to have had a son, Frank, in 1898 before meeting Walter (see last census - Frank “Stephens”).  He was Frank Vasey on his school record, as previously mentioned.


Frank Stevens, mmn Carter, Jun qtr 1898 Westminster 1a 484.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 27 January 19 15:37 GMT (UK) »
An online tree has Isabel’s birth name as Mary Isabel Carter.

She seems to have had a son, Frank Stephens, before meeting Walter (see last census).

The mmns on the Vasey children’s births vary between Carter and Stevens - the latter may have been her previous “married” name, though I can’t see that she was ever lawfully married.

Well thanks again AVM.

As much as you can trust online trees (as far as you can throw them) this looks feasible. It does seem that she never married - I could find nothng. This is comparable with William's parents Charles Allen Vernon and Florence Mary Ingram, who produced ten children together (first as middle name Vernon surname Ingram and then as plain Vernon) but never married that I can find, and her granddaughter Ivy Vernon who had at most two children with Edward Cox, then another five with Christopher Raisin before actually marrying him. I could go on.

None of this proves that it's my William Vernon who married Winifred Vasey. I'll have to send for the cert.

Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 27 January 19 16:13 GMT (UK) »
An online tree has Isabel’s birth name as Mary Martha Isabel Carter.

I’ve edited to correct her name.

Martha Isabel Carter was admitted to Westminster Union Workhouse on 15 June 1898, and discharged “to sister Faith” along with her newborn son Frank Carter on 10 August 1898.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 27 January 19 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Born as Martha Isabella Carter, Dec qtr 1873 Stockton.

There’s a Police Gazette notice for Martha Isabella Carter, alias Sissie Stevens, with a male child, about 3m old, wanted for the theft of a child’s 4-wheel mailcart in Mablethorpe, Lincs on 26 August 1898. 

Worth looking at (on Ancestry) for her physical description if this family turns out to be relevant.  She seems to have been a music hall singer with a history of obtaining money from clergymen under false pretences.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Who was Winifred Vasey?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 January 19 16:31 GMT (UK) »
This is all fascinating! She isn't my direct relative but now I want her to be!

Though if her daughter did marry my relative then they probably unremarkable lives.

Skelcey (Skelsey Skelcy Skeley Shelsey Kelcy Skelcher) - Warks, Yorks, Lancs
Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
Owens - Cheshire/North Wales
Hicks - Cornwall
Lloyd and Jones (Mont)
Rhys/Rees (Mont)