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Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« on: Saturday 26 January 19 23:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

I have a cluster of people, listed in the Tithe Applotment Books, living near each other. I believe their are mine. Any tips on what to do with this information? Is there more to glean than meets the eye in this record or is it simply 'what it is'? The area is Dysartbeagh, just outside of Mountrath, in Queens County.

Would there be a minimum age a person would be listed? I'd imagine someone could be quite young to work land. Any rules about that back then? I ask as I think this group is a father and a group of sons.

I can't find them in Dysartbeagh in the Griffith's Valuation records.

Thanks for any tips!
Brenda
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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 January 19 00:36 GMT (UK) »
Did you read the explanation at the start of the data base
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

I think it's more likely these men are brothers or a mix of brothers uncles cousins. Names constantly repeat in famlies so it's difficult to tell one generation from the next or even one family group from relations.

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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 January 19 00:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your reply Sinann.

I had read the explanation, but wasn't sure if there was a way to view the location and then find out if the same people were in the same location going forward.

Also just wondering about anything else that might indicate relationship; if even a hint of what was likely. Like you mentioned, likely brothers etc. than father and sons. Two of the men have the same number; 49 and the others only a few numbers off. I'm assuming the number is parcel of land and the two men sharing the same number were working the same plot of land? I think I'm just wishful thinking that there are more clues in it than there are  :)
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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Difficult to comment when we can't see the record.
Is this it
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587420/004587420_00386.pdf
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587420/004587420_00387.pdf

I always thought when they are on the same plot the two names are listed beside each other like number 52
but I see what you mean about number 49, it's 20 perch for each.

Farms did get divided up between sons, resulting in smaller and smaller farms each generation, this was one of the reasons people became so dependant on potatoes as it was the only crop that would feed a family from a small patch of land. After the famine the land was passed to one son, which kept the emigration going long past the famine as the other children had to find work.

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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:22 GMT (UK) »
That's it! I see what you mean about the same line. Wonder if there is any distinction between the two types of entries.

That's an interesting bit about it being passed to one son.

Last question, is there any way to see into the future or past on this in some other record and see who was on the land before or after?
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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:26 GMT (UK) »
I was trying to find a site that gives a bit more on how to understand the Applotment books but they all say much the same, that it's a basic list of land holders, no indication that there is any thing more to learn.

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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Sinann  :)
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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:38 GMT (UK) »

Last question, is there any way to see into the future or past on this in some other record and see who was on the land before or after?
Not really as far as I know
There are the memorials but they are the land owners, see this thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=805616.0
Otherwise between the Applotments and Griffith's only if the landlords estate records survive.
The Tool kit is always worth checking for stuff like this
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-genealogy-search.html

Fingers crossed someone will know of something else.

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Re: Question on using Tithe Applotment Books
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 January 19 01:51 GMT (UK) »
I always forget about the tool kit! Thanks again for that.
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