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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Bev! I think you may have solved the puzzle :D Since I can't find anything on him in England.

With that being said the cells at Fremantle Prison look horrid!



^ Recreation of an 1860s cell

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:16 GMT (UK) »
Good find Bev.  The death date mentioned, would that have been in Australia?

Russell - The original of the baptism record states what you found on Family Search.  Baptised on 30th November 1856, parents George and Eliza Bennett of Bedmont, A.L. (Abbots Langley), George is a labourer.

You may wish to consider getting Pheobe's birth cert.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Good find Bev.  The death date mentioned, would that have been in Australia?



Yes, you can find a very brief death notice on Trove.
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Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:23 GMT (UK) »
There is this death record for a Phoebe but not too sure if it is your Phoebe

BENNETT, PHOEBE       Age 8     
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in SAINT ALBANS  Volume 03A  Page 185

Your Phoebe would have been five in 1861 so not sure of this one.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:27 GMT (UK) »
Good find Bev.  The death date mentioned, would that have been in Australia?

Russell - The original of the baptism record states what you found on Family Search.  Baptised on 30th November 1856, parents George and Eliza Bennett of Bedmont, A.L. (Abbots Langley), George is a labourer.

You may wish to consider getting Pheobe's birth cert.

Thank you for your response (and thanks again to Bev!!  :D),

Does this confirm 'Eliza Taylor as the mother? Unfortunately I can't find any images of the birth certificate anywhere; Family search does provide this information

No image available
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Indexing Project (Batch) Number   C07200-2
System Origin   England-ODM
GS Film number   991387

There are two records for Phoebe (both the same date, place and parents just different sources I presume?):

Indexing Project (Batch) Number   I03368-0
System Origin   England-EASy
GS Film number   1537804
Reference ID   item 1 p 38

I don't know if any of this info might help?

EDIT: I think the 8 year old Phoebe death record could be the same one I found on family search

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:38 GMT (UK) »
You won't find any images of an actual birth certificate.  If you want to know details from a birth certificate you will have to buy it.

You can get a pdf of the cert for 6 or pay 9.25 for a paper certificate.

If it was me I would be getting a pdf, then if the father isn't George you won't have spent too much.

The cost of getting certs and pdfs is going up on 16 February so if you are going to get one, do so pdq.

Quote from Selina in the Common Room section:-

"Prices of certificates from the GRO will increase on 16 February 2019.

9.25 certs will be 11.

PDF copies to increase by 1 to 7."
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:48 GMT (UK) »
You won't find any images of an actual birth certificate.  If you want to know details from a birth certificate you will have to buy it.

You can get a pdf of the cert for 6 or pay 9.25 for a paper certificate.

If it was me I would be getting a pdf, then if the father isn't George you won't have spent too much.

The cost of getting certs and pdfs is going up on 16 February so if you are going to get one, do so pdq.

Quote from Selina in the Common Room section:-

"Prices of certificates from the GRO will increase on 16 February 2019.

9.25 certs will be 11.

PDF copies to increase by 1 to 7."

Alrighty I'll have a look  :) I just need to register with them first, do you get the pdf straightaway after you've paid?

One last question (sorry to be a pain) - but is there a burial place for George? Or was it a paupers grave?




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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:53 GMT (UK) »
The newspaper just says 'On Sunday morning last a man named George Bennett died at the York Hospital.'
Eastern Districts Chronicle, 21st March 1885.

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Weedon - Hertfordshire and W. Australia
Herbertson, Congalton, Paterson - Scotland
Reed, Elmer - Hunts.
Branson - Bucks. and Birmingham
Warren, Ball, Jones - Birmingham
Fuller, Bourne, Sheepwash - Kent
Brittain - Beds. and W. Australia

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Re: What happened to criminal ancestor?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 27 January 19 20:57 GMT (UK) »
No you won't get a pdf straight away.  They will give you an estimated date.  A pdf is usually quicker to arrive than a certificate.

No idea about George.  Perhaps Bev can tell you what the death notice said and where that was.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire