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Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« on: Friday 01 February 19 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I'm new to the Cornwall forum and to researching anyone in Cornwall. This is going to be a long post but I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

There is a baptism for a George Henry Dunn born 4 Jun 1883, illegitimately. I believe the baptism was in a place called Marazion. He was from Lelant. His mother was Catherine Jane Dunn. Catherine had an illegitimate son, Alfred Charles Dunn, in 1872.

I can't find a burial for George and he doesn't seem to appear in the censuses. I can only guess that he was taken in by another family.

Now we come to my Worcestershire roots. My great-grandad was George Harry Dunn born 28 Aug 1883 in Wollescote. He was adopted, or taken in, by Edwin Dunn and Betsy Brooks.

Could they be the same person?

The birth dates don't line up and neither do the place of birth BUT I'm finding DNA matches who have some of the names in the tree I made for George Henry Dunn.

I'd love some help trying to prove or disprove my theory.

Thank you.
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:05 GMT (UK) »
There is no birth in Worcs on freebmd  to support the August 1883 birth

What census entries do you have for George?

Have you checked for a connection between Edwin Dunn & Catherine
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:20 GMT (UK) »
1901

Betsy Dunn 51 b Lye widow
George 17 son b Worcs
Alfred Sparrow 33 boarder b Worcs

In 1891 he is again shown as b Worcs but a visitor with Joseph & Cecilia Hyrons
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:21 GMT (UK) »
I see that Edwin Dunn married Betsy Brooks, Jun qtr 1872 Bromsgrove.

George H Dunn, 7 b Worcester, was a visitor to a Hyrons family in Wollescote in 1891.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Catherine Jane Dunn appears to have been b 1854 Penzance per freebmd.

GRO online search shows no Dunn/Brooks births in Worcs 1882-1886

Alfred Charles Dunn b Lelant is with Catherine & her parents in 1881.  Everybody b Lelant

1891 Catherine & Alfred still in Cornwall with her widowed mother
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:42 GMT (UK) »
Edwin Dunn was b Staffs and Betsy Brooks Lye Worcs so no apparent connection to Cornwall but it does look as though it is Catherine’s son George who is living with Betsy in 1901
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Having refreshed my memory on some of the old threads on this family, I am reminded that George b 1883 appears in his school records with the additional middle name Brooks.  Presumably there is at least a possibility that if he was adopted it was from the Brooks side of the family, Dunn being added when he joined Edwin & Betsy’s household?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769311.0

On the other hand it sounds as though the DNA is matching to Dunns.  What exactly does the DNA tell you?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Yes, the George Harry B Dunn or George Harry Brooks Dunn appeared on his school records. They haven't been on any other document I've seen. His navy record just says George Harry Dunn. I find it strange that the Brooks was dropped since he lived with his mother up until 1912 presumably.

I've tried finding some sort of connection between the two families but can't find anything. The name Stevens does pop up on both ends but that's not an unusual name.

The DNA matches are distant but there is one that shows up with William Dunn and Jane Roach. Those are Catherine Dunn's paternal grandparents. I also have seen some Uren matches which are Catherine Dunn's maternal grandparents.

The matches will be distant though if they are connecting me to this Cornwall family. George is my great-grandfather. Catherine would be my 2nd great-grandmother and she was an only child so that jumps up to matches with 4th great-grandparents unless Catherine's son Alfred's descendants happen to test.
Stuart (India, Antrim, Armagh)
Whiting (Bedfordshire)
Dunn/Taylor (Worcestershire)
Pearson (Worcestershire)
Hill/Rhodes (Worcestershire)
Gough (Warwickshire)
Perry (Devon, Worcestershire)
Maynard (Essex, Yorkshire)
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Re: Proving or Disproving George Henry Dunn b. 1883
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 February 19 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Some of my replies aren't showing. I don't know if it's just on my end or not.
Stuart (India, Antrim, Armagh)
Whiting (Bedfordshire)
Dunn/Taylor (Worcestershire)
Pearson (Worcestershire)
Hill/Rhodes (Worcestershire)
Gough (Warwickshire)
Perry (Devon, Worcestershire)
Maynard (Essex, Yorkshire)
Jennings (Devon)
Coldicott (Warwickshire, Gloucestershire)