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Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« on: Saturday 02 February 19 17:58 GMT (UK) »
I have been tracing an illegitimate branch of my family - recently discovered - and I have been led to Robert M. He is the son of Robert Blackwell and Harriette Gertrude Bridden and was born in Sale Cheshire in 1884. His father was a physician and of independent means and died young in 1906, his wife and a fellow physician acting as executors. Harriette died in Cheshire in 1940 citing a chartered accountant and a solicitor as her executors, no mention of Robert M.Ancestry has a Robert Musgrave Blackwell of about the correct age being tried for theft in Wellington on 11 November 1908 - a labourer - he was remanded in custody but there are no further details. In 1911 I have found him at 66 Clyde Quay, Wellington. Were this to be he, he is back in UK in 1943 and marrying Edith Marian Dale, born 2 March 1901 in Southampton, in Cornwall. In 1946 they depart from UK shores and travel to Trinidad via USA, occupation planter. A Robert Musgrave Blackwell is buried in Tasmania on 14 April 1964, of the correct age. If any one can help me with more details I would be grateful - are there 2 Robert Musgrave Blackwells or not?

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:12 GMT (UK) »
These are the articles referred to by Ancestry......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers?phrase=2&snippet=true&query=robert+musgrave+blackwell

And this will be the headstone in Tasmania you have found:

https://eheritage.libraries.tas.gov.au/resources/detail7f2b-2.html?ID=DFH_21883

Have you contacted the Tasmanian Family History Society? Maybe more information from that source?

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Letters of Administration for an Edith Marian BLACKWELL 1979, Tasmania  are on FindMyPast
Date of death 3 Oct 1979

Added, it’s loaded up, and it is a will.

Address, Wilmot Road, Forth, Tasmania

$1000 to a woman in Norfolk and $1000 to  a woman of the same address in Tasmania.  Both could conceivably still be alive.  Total estate was a bit over $19000

Modified to add

Oh dear the Norfolk woman was Theresa Henrietta Frederica ENFIELD in the will. Of 38 Bateley Avenue , Gorleston.  But she died (as Theresa Helen Frederica) In 1972 age 80


Modified to add further, the other beneficiary seems likely to have been her nurse. Haven’t found her death yet so won’t elaborate

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:39 GMT (UK) »

Ancestry has a Robert Musgrave Blackwell of about the correct age being tried for theft in Wellington on 11 November 1908 - a labourer - he was remanded in custody but there are no further details.

The NZ Police Gazettes give his birth as 1882 and that he is a native of England. 

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:41 GMT (UK) »
Here is the link to the 1908 Police Gazettes......[he is on Page 507]

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=15423682&digital=yes


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for putting it up Minnie, got called away before I could do it. :D


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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 February 19 19:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes KHP, this page also provides a physical description of the man. Only very brief details on page 505. No photograph though.


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 February 19 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Do you have actual will  of Robert Musgraves mother? 

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Re: Robert Musgrave Blackwell - were there 2 of them??
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 February 19 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Further to the will of Edith Marian there is a list of about ten people who get $200. (One of them is my old French teacher from the 1970s in NZ!

Then the balance goes to her nephews in Hertfordshire who are named .