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Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Searching for 3rd great uncle and his spouse as a result of information received regarding my 3rd great grandparents in this Inverness thread  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=806892.0

We have a death for Hugh Rose Campbell 12 DEC 1838 Arbroath,Angus,Scotland and have received an image of his marker with inscription that Elizabeth Petrie had it erected.

I have found a christening for an Elizabeth Petrie 22 Apr 1807 SAINT VIGEANS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND which is the same church as Elizabeth and Hugh married in 1831.  Parents William Petrie and Ann Brown. However, there are several other births/christenings for an Elizabeth Petrie between 1801 and 1807 in Angus.  None are at Saint Vigeans.

Is there a record repository that might give parents names for the marriage.

Any additional information much appreciated
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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Any census for her giving a birthyear/birthplace?
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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:40 GMT (UK) »
There's a death of an Elizabeth Campbell, other surname Petrie, aged 80, in Dundee in 1886 who could be Hugh's widow. Her death certificate should tell you the name of her husband and the names of her parents.

Whatever you do, do not assume that someone who looks as if she might fit is the right one.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith


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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 February 19 20:03 GMT (UK) »

I have found a christening for an Elizabeth Petrie 22 Apr 1807 SAINT VIGEANS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND which is the same church as Elizabeth and Hugh married in 1831.


Just for your records on this line, St Vigeans is a small village and parish in Angus, not a church.

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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 February 19 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Just a side note, could Hugh Rose Campbell have been married before he married Elizabeth Petrie?

There is this birth or christening entry showing:

John CAMPBELL
HUGH ROSE CAMPBELL & BARBARA NEISH
07/09/1830
Ref 319/40 134
St Vigeans

It is the only one I can see to these parents.

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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 February 19 20:40 GMT (UK) »
I have found a christening for an Elizabeth Petrie 22 Apr 1807 SAINT VIGEANS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND which is the same church as Elizabeth and Hugh married in 1831.
Just for your records on this line, St Vigeans is a small village and parish in Angus, not a church
I hear the sound of cans of worms being opened!

First of all, it was unusual for a wedding to be held in a church building. Most weddings took place in the bride's home or, if she had not parents living or whe married a long way from home, in the manse. Only towards the end of the 19th century did weddings in halls, hotels and restaurants become the done thing, and it wasn't really until the 20th century that a church wedding became fashionable.

St Vigeans is a parish on the coast of Angus and it includes the village of St Vigeans and also Auchmithie, and originally what was to become the much larger town or Arbroath.

The next-door parish of Arbroath (or Aberbrothock) was established in 1560 by taking the burgh out of the parish of St Vigeans and erecting it into a separate parish.

The burgh of Arbroath outgrew its parish and by the time of Elizabeth Petrie it had extended into the parish of St Vigeans, so that quite a large part of the burgh of Arbroath was in the parish of St Vigeans, not the parish of Arbroath. So it's quite common to find a baptism recorded in St Vigeans which actually occurred in Arbroath.

There is an ancient kirk in St Vigeans, which has managed to retain its village-like atmosphere in spite of being almost surrounded by the suburbs of Arbroath. Parts of the kirk date from the 12th century and parts from the 15th century. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=91106185

From 1919 onwards the two parishes made up the combined registration district of Arbroath and St Vigeans, though they remained ecclesiastically separate parishes.

In practical terms, it probably helps to think of Arbroath and St Vigeans as two halves of a sort of single entity when researching the older records.

Of course once you have viewed that death certificate and verified that she was the widow of Hugh R Campbell, you should have the names of her parents and you won't have to guess whether she was born in Arbroath or in St Vigeans.


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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 February 19 21:06 GMT (UK) »
Can of worms has been well and truly dealt with  ;)

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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 February 19 21:15 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage/banns in Arbroath:

David Aitkenhead & Elizabeth Petrie
11 Apr 1839
Arbroath, Angus

The death you found Forfarian for an Elizabeth Petrie/Campbell in Dundee in 1886 also has the additional surname indexed as Aitkenhead.

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Re: Elizabeth Petrie and Hugh Rose Campbell
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 February 19 21:18 GMT (UK) »
All the parties coming together for 1841, as transcribed:

David Artkenkend 40 army p(ensioner?)
Elisabeth Artkenkend 30
John Campbell 11 - guessing this is Hugh's son with Barbara Neish?
Janes Campbell 9 - female, must be Jane

Address: High Street, Arbroath The Abbey

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