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Offline sarah.271981

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Looking for 1891 census only
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello I am trying to trace one census for 1891.

I am researching my great grandmother Alice Roberts from Wrexham. She was born in 1896 and has a sister called Edith Roberts 1894 and a half brother William Ellis 1901. She is in a 1901 census with her family and the man is her stepdad (William Thomas Roberts) at engine cottage pentre fron. Her mum is called Mary Ellen Edwards born 1862. I was given a family portrait and apparently she had an older sister called Mary. I have everything I need on Alice, Edith and William Ellis, I am not looking for any info on these 3. I have everything on the mum Mary Ellen except an 1891 census, this is what im looking for to research the real dad.

Its her real Dad I am trying to get info on and her eldest sister Mary, I know his name is Thomas Roberts, he died in 1900 and is buried in coedpoeth cemetery, according to dates on gravestone he would of been born about 1860. I have found a marriage banns for 1882 marrying Mary Ellen, it says they are both living in berse (broughton wrexham) the father listed for Thomas is an Edward Roberts labourer, there is also a witness called John Roberts (possibly a brother).  With the photo I have Mary looks like she could possibly been old enough to be born round 1883. I need to find the 1891 census with Thomas, Mary Ellen and Mary.


Just to also say save people giving me info I have already thought about I have looked at an 1881 census that could be Thomas with his family, it has an Edward Roberts, mum Mary, a siblings john, Sarah A and Edward H Roberts from Bersham. Edward has the job Labourer on this census and its round the area Thomas was married. I have saved this as a possibility. I have also seen a a census for 1891 in mold, but the info does not match the details of the Mary Ellen I have. Again I have a lot of info so please I only need an 1891 census that could possibly be them, thanks.

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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:12 GMT (UK) »
1901 census, the mother is transcribed as Elizabeth?https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BF-KST

ELLIS, WILLIAM       JONES     1901  S Quarter in WREXHAM MAELOR  Volume 11B  Page 271

If this is the starting point, what is the maiden name of the mother? How come william Ellis has the surname Ellis when others are all Roberts?
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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:29 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat

Could you please give the reference number for the 1901 census you are referring to.  :)

Ignore that I have found it - I was getting confused  ;D

RG13/5221 f38 p31 - Engine Cottage
William   Roberts   33   occ   Coal Miner Hewer   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire
Mary E   Roberts   37   bn Wrexham, Denbighshire
Edith   Roberts   6   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire
Alice   Roberts   4   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire

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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:36 GMT (UK) »
1901 census, the mother is transcribed as Elizabeth?https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9BF-KST

ELLIS, WILLIAM       JONES     1901  S Quarter in WREXHAM MAELOR  Volume 11B  Page 271

If this is the starting point, what is the maiden name of the mother? How come william Ellis has the surname Ellis when others are all Roberts?

I'm confused , but I think the OP may be referring to William Ellis Roberts. There are 2 registrations:

4Q 1901 Wrexham mmn Edwards
3Q 1902 Wrexham mmn Edwards

I can't see the 1901 census with the address Engine Cottage Pentre Fron.

Edit : I see Rosie has found the census.
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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:39 GMT (UK) »
Engine Cottage is the census I posted

RG13/5221 f38 p31 - Engine Cottage
William   Roberts   33   occ   Coal Miner Hewer   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire
Mary E   Roberts   37   bn Wrexham, Denbighshire
Edith   Roberts   6   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire
Alice   Roberts   4   bn Brymbo, Denbighshire

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Cross posted with Christine
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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 February 19 17:58 GMT (UK) »
1911 gives a different birthplace, and she's older than expected from the 1901 and younger OP states?

Mary Ellen Roberts    48   Parish Of Llanfair D C, Denbighshire

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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Yes her maiden name is Edwards, I have all of her census except 1, no idea where the 1891. This would be great to find as this will be the only census I can find info on the real father

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:08 GMT (UK) »
the 1901 and 1911 have a couple of minor errors but its definitely the same families, she is from Llanfair tho

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Re: LOOKING FOR 1891 CENSUS ONLY
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 February 19 18:10 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to confuse, Ellis is the middle name, its after Mary Ellens father