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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Thank you - Yes !   I've edited mine to suit.
That first "God" in Line 21 still eludes me   I wondered "Dyans pitar" but that makes no sense.  There's an Egyptian (?) god, apparently, now referred to as "Ptah" ?

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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 14:23 GMT (UK) »
Line 21 - I suggest he is referring to 'Dyeus Phter', who was the primary deity in Proto-Indo-European mythology.

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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 16:27 GMT (UK) »
See middle of 2nd para at https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol_printable/oruol:-
"The Indo-Iranian, Italic, and Hellenic branches of the Indo-European language family display pantheons whose individual actors are not only in close functional correspondence, but also whose nomenclature shows clear etymological correspondence. For example we may clearly identify a Sky god in each tradition, and at the same time we find exacting parallelism in the terminology: the PIE phrase *dyeus pHte:r 'Sky father' has corresponding reflexes in the set phrases of Greek Zeus pate:r, Latin Iu:-(p)piter, and Sanskrit Dyaus pita:. "   

So *I* am guessing it is that last !  "Dyaus pita". 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyaus

Certainly, he has an "i" there   ;-)

Also - it's all phonetic, anyway  ;-)

Thank you !


Still need an expert eye on 001-2 on page 1, pretty please ?


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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 12 February 19 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Here's the next page:-
Researching:-   CLAY       THORNEWILL         POWELL         SOAMES

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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 February 19 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Which words are you stuck with?

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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 14 February 19 00:23 GMT (UK) »
Since you ask - Alas !  Most of them !  I can make out perhaps two words a line...

01  Spoils of war "taboo" ?  they ? the ? ?
02  on enemy: so true  ? of divinities(?) lest enemy ? invite them!
03  ? ? ? a common source
04  of inspiration as one sees ????
05  "magic" concepts(?): (jumping to make corn high,)
06  ? ? ? as assistance(?)
07 - (like pins in ? ? to chase:
08  & all the seasons invariably sacred.
09  Man tries to explain the ? ? of
10  nature by those he sees before him, &
11  gives a physical form to ideas suggested.
12  Fables ??? not to oriental(?) imagination
13  so much as the ignorance of primitive man.
14  As Greeks "assisted" God by liberties of
15  ? so ? helped the sun by
16  lighting brands in spring.
17  His ? of ? ? & idle that
18  Jesus crucified not ??? but in character of
19  Barabbas, - the old sacrifice of some criminal.
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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 14 February 19 12:40 GMT (UK) »
Line 1 spoils of war "taboo" They bore(?) the maledictions pronounced

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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 14 February 19 13:28 GMT (UK) »
Line 3:
We can assume a common source
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: The last Journal of Harold Soames, 1855-1918
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 14 February 19 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Line 4:

of inspiration as one sees primitive
Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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