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Help finding a marriage please
« on: Tuesday 05 February 19 17:59 GMT (UK) »
and/or the 1881 census.  I'm trying to track down a distant relative
This is what I know of her Ann Frances Russell
7th August 1836 baptised to John Russell and Mary in Temple, Bristol
1841 census - living in Bristol with John and Mary Russell and assorted children aged 5
1851 census - living in Bristol with father John Russell a carpenter aged 14 and 2 brothers and a sister
19 Jun 1856 marries Charles John Dewfall in St Phillips Bristol (father John) aged 20
1861 census - living in Bristol with husband Charles and 3 children - aged 23
1871 census - visiting Eliza Dewfall (Charles's sister in law) in Henstrict, Somerset - aged 34 born Bristol (Charles is at home with the children, both listed as married)
1876 Charles Dewfall dies in Bristol

Now I'm guessing - but about 99% sure this is her
1891 census Ann F Savage aged 50 a widow in Bristol - has 3 rooms in the house of John E Dewfall (her second eldest son - it doesn't state they are related as both John and Ann are down as head of house seperately, Ann at the bottom after John's family - says John & co have 4 rooms, Ann has 3)
1901 census Annie F Savage aged 60 a widow in Bristol - but living with her is daughter Amy Dewfall (Ann and Charles's youngest daughter)
1911 dies in Bristol Ann F Savage - aged 70

Can I find a marriage for Ann and Mr Savage? No chance, or Ann under either Dewfall or Savage in 1881

I tried looking up all of Ann's children in 1881 in case she was with one of them
Charles William (born 1857) I *think* is in service in 1881 - he marries in 1883 in London
John Edward (born 1859) is living with his new wife in Bristol (this is the one she lives with 10 years later)
Isabella Mary (born 1860) - died 1863
William Henry (born 1863) in lodgings in Bristol with the Branch family (no relation I can see)
Ellen (born 1864) - died 1865
Albert (born 1866) - apprentice House decorator in Bristol, living with the Brooke family (the father of which is a house decorator so I'm making the assumption that he's apprenticed to Mr Brooke)
Amy (born 1872) - living inSt Raphael House of Charity in Bristol
Mary Ellen (born 1874) - I can't find (in any census actually she's born, baptised then reappears in the 1939 register with the correct date of birth and dies a spinster in 1963 in Bristol)

However lodging in the same house as Albert Dewfall there is a lodger Charles SAVAGE born approx 1839 in Oxfordshire - a shipping clerk
He appears to die in 1889 in Bedminster aged 49 - which would fit with a 1839/1840 birth - and if he is the second husband make Ann a widow again by 1891

Any thoughts or ideas much appreciated

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Re: Help finding a marriage please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 19:11 GMT (UK) »
Your statements are somewhat contrary.
Surely the 1891 census is with her second-eldest son?
Which year census has this Charles Savage in?
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Re: Help finding a marriage please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Sorry yes, it's her second son she's living with in 1891 - I'll amend that

Charles Savage is in the same house as the youngest son Albert in 1881, I was looking each of them up to find Ann - and the name struck me and made me wonder if he was the mysterious second husband.  It certainly seems possible that they could have met

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Re: Help finding a marriage please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 19:49 GMT (UK) »
Not your primary question sorry but  Mary Ellen in 1901 is at


10, Oakfield Road, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England,  Cook, in a school
currently concentrating on NUTCHER & MARSHALL families, Hampshire.
and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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Re: Help finding a marriage please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 19:53 GMT (UK) »
1891 Mary E is in household of Joshua HALE,  a servant

East Shrubbery, Westbury on Trym, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire
currently concentrating on NUTCHER & MARSHALL families, Hampshire.
and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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Re: Help finding a marriage please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Lovely thank you
Since I posted the question I've found her in 1911 as Ellen, a servant living with her sister Amy