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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 17 March 19 10:38 GMT (UK) »
Stuart McDonald and Margaret McNamara both lived in King Street, Sydney at the time of their marriage on 16 April 1857 at St Mary’s (Catholic) Cathedral, Sydney.  Stuart said he was 20 years old and a stockman.

He would not be the first ex-convict to reinvent himself but Stewart/Stuart McDonald/Macdonald is not an unusual name.   

I think there might be too many anomalies for him to be our man.

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 17 March 19 10:40 GMT (UK) »
Middle name was Glassford, as shown on his marriage certificate. Sometimes this becomes Glassfurd. 

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 17 March 19 11:25 GMT (UK) »
The rootschat link that I gave to ancestry describes him as a ticket of leave holder - so came as a convict.  (If the correct man)

The ticket of leave would have been for his 1852 colonial conviction.

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 17 March 19 11:40 GMT (UK) »
If he was 20 when he married in 1857, he would be 15 when convicted in 1852. Possible I guess. The Gazelle was not a regular convict transport so having him offend in NSW works better.

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 17 March 19 12:30 GMT (UK) »
The man with the convictions in the early 1850s was born c1830.  Are you sure your Stuart was only aged 20 in 1857?  That is quite young for that time period.  Do you have confirmation of his age from another source such as one of his children's birth certs?

On the 16th April, by special license, at Saint Mary's Cathedral, Sydney, by the Rev. John J. McClennan, Mr. Stuart McDonald, late of Inverness, Scotland, now of Moreton Bay, to Miss Margaret, daughter of Mr. Michael McNamara, of Ennis, County Clare, Ireland.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12995543

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 17 March 19 22:38 GMT (UK) »
He definitely gave his age as 20 at his wedding in 1857.

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 17 March 19 22:47 GMT (UK) »
He definitely gave his age as 20 at his wedding in 1857.

So who gave consent for a male minor to marry?  IF 20 *he was not old enough to give his own consent...   that m.c. image uploaded is not the current style,  and a new purchase may be a tad costly,  but it may be an option to check an enlarged snip of his then age as recorded by the clergy ....

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 17 March 19 22:57 GMT (UK) »
I have edited my earlier post.

May I gently note that the info in several columns on that m.c. were NOT available to NSWBDM until decades after that marriage ... the church registers were made available in the 1910s as noted at the right hand margin notes.   The handwriting in those columns is very different from the Clergyman'  too

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Re: Emigration lookup (to Australia)
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 17 March 19 23:12 GMT (UK) »
I'm not sure he would have needed permission in 1857 in NSW:

"Until 1823, the legal age in England for marriage was 21 years--for men and women. After 1823, a male could marry as young as fourteen without parental consent, and a girl at 12. Most girls, however, married between the ages of 18 and 23, especially in the upper classes."