Emigration lookup (to Australia)

[majm]

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I am in Brisbane and my friend I am researching this with is not in Sydney either so we can't get to the NSW Archives.

As it happens, I am trying to get the inquest on the house fire that killed both my great grandparents which is held in the NSW Archives.

I have sent an ask the archivist request and hope to hear back soon. As I understand it the Archives won't copy things for you but will suggest someone who can copy things for a fee. ......

There are a number of RChatters who go to the Archives at Kingswood.  Perhaps you could ask for some direct help with some lookups there from : https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703011.0

NSW Archives definitely do offer a copy service on a number of their Archives.   https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/copy-services

JM
ADD
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/inquests-coronial-records-guide 
and 1908 for the fire Inquest, Lockhart... see
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=803142.0

[jomcd967]

Geoff the only issue I can see is his age in the criminal records have him born c1829, which is at odds with his marriage certificate - I wonder if 28 was mistranscribed as 20 on the copy that you have been given?

Jo 

[majm]

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/mariners-and-ships-australian-waters-website

From Launceston,  (Tasmania) to Sydney (New South Wales)  arriving October 1845, Gazelle … here is the image http://marinersandships.com.au/1845/10/media/020gaz.gif    NONE surnamed McDonald.

From Calcutta (Sub-continent) to Hobart Town (Tasmania) and then to Port Jackson (Sydney NSW)  arriving May 1848 ... none as McDONALD
http://marinersandships.com.au/1848/05/media/001gaz.gif 

From Hobart to Sydney Nov 1849  none as McDonald
http://marinersandships.com.au/1849/11/media/384gaz.jpg

From Adelaide to Sydney July 1851  none as McDonald
http://marinersandships.com.au/1851/07/media/022gaz.jpg

Perhaps they landed in SA or VDL and transhipped to Sydney.

Are you sure the parents migrated?  I have seen unaccompanied children, without literacy or numeracy skills, aged 10 and thereabouts on passenger lists in the 1840s and 1850s...  half way around the globe .... 

JM

[GeoffTurner]

This is the 1887 hospital admission which says he has been in the colony 40 years, came on the Gazelle, is aged 50, married at 20.

Which seemed to tie in with the marriage certificate and with him coming here at the age of 10.

It says his father is dead, but not whether he died in Scotland or Australia.

It's possible Stuart came alone, or with his mother as a widow or with a stepfather, I guess. In which case they might be listed under a different name.

But there were obviously very few passengers on the Gazelle and there were some girls in those list you showed me, but no boys.

The further we look and the more information we get from kind Rootschatters, the more confusing it seems to get.

But thanks for all your help.

Geoff

[GeoffTurner]

Could a 10-year-old have been a cabin boy and not listed among the passengers?

[majm]

I am deleting, too many errors ....  I will stay on the theme though...

The second part of that document .... it refers to the patient's son John who died while a patient in the hospital, and John's DAD was a Wine Merchant.    There is other family history info too, which I had mis-read and now deleted.  I leave it to you to transcribe, gives locations, maiden names etc.

JM

[GeoffTurner]

I don't know who the next patient is or how to find out so that is wasted on me, I'm afraid. His wife Margaret Macnamara (matches Sydney marriage certificate) is at Gympie. She died there some years later (1911). Stuart is a drifter. Each of the children was born in a different place, almost. He was living in the open in Brisbane when he got sick and went to hospital. But he spent most of his life living in a tent or just sleeping under the stars, it seems.

[majm]

The image you have uploaded.... it seems to me that lower half  of your image... gives information about your chap's son named  John McDonald...  So the upper half gives  info about his living children and the lower half about his deceased children ....

I wonder who was  a wine merchant...

JM

[GeoffTurner]

No, I think you might be misreading it.

He lists his three living children.

Then Issue dead is left blank (although he had three children who died young, well before then).

Then it asks for his father, who is John McDonald, a wine merchant. On his marriage cert he says his father is John McDonald but describes him as a shipping agent. Perhaps he imported and sold wine at various times.

His mother is Mary Stewart, as it is on the marriage certificate.

His first son was named John. He was born c 1858 ans we can assume he has died before 1887 (no death date found).

You had me confused there for a moment!

Geoff