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1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« on: Sunday 10 February 19 18:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone, I'm struggling a little with an 1881 census entry for 5 Russell St, Cefn Mawr, Ruabon district. Here we have the household of Daniel Evans:

Daniel Evans (25) Head
Hannah Evans (30) wife
Emily A. Evans    (6) daughter
William Evans    (4) son
Emily Rogers    (51) widow, mother-in-law
Edward Rogers    (14) brother-in-law
Sarah Edwards    (76) widow, grandmother
William H. Lloyd (17) nephew

My connection is the Grandmother Sarah Edwards, also Daniel's nephew William H. Lloyd, who also appears in the 1871 census living in his grandparent's house (Edward & Sarah Edwards, in Sion Cottage, Cysyllte).

I'm finding it hard to confirm the connections though.
The most likely 1871 census for Daniel Evans shows him as the youngest child of Godfrey and Anne Evans, who, according to the census, were born circa 1806 and 1812 respectfully. This makes both of them too old to be the offspring of Sarah Edwards, born circa 1805/06, which seems to rule out Daniels' family as connected to Sarah, so I assume "grandmother" refers to wife Hannah's family.

Hannah's maiden name must be Rogers, judging by the brother-in-law and mother-in-law listed. If Hannah was born circa 1851, I've not found any Emily=Evans marriage that might identify her father, or confirm mother Emily's maiden name, the only 1871 census entry that I found that matches shows a Hannah working as a servant in Pendleton, no indication of parents. Also no sign of an 'Emily Rogers' in the earlier censuses. I did find a possible 1871 entry for Hannah's brother Edward, living with parents Robert & Emma Rogers in Brymbo, but that's a fair distance from the Ruabon area, I'm  not convinced.

All this leaves me wondering how my confirmed ancestor, the 'grandmother' Sarah Edwards, is connected to this family. The only grandparent route left would be Emily Rogers' mother, i.e. Emily was originally Emily Edwards. As Emily was born circa 1830 she would be a suitable age to be Sarah's daughter. Research so far has identified daughters of Sarah and husband Edward Edwards as Harriet (B.1832, I believe married Edward Roberts), Sarah (1838, married Edward Williams) and Ann (1842), but I've not found any records indicating a daughter Emily though. If I could pin down Emily's maiden name it would help to confirm!
 
If Sarah's youngest daughter Ann survived to adulthood, perhaps she was the mother of William H Lloyd, but I've not had any luck tracing his birth, or an Ann Edwards marriage to a Lloyd.

William H Lloyd, 'nephew' of Daniel Evans, was born circa 1863/64 and clearly a grandson of Sarah Edwards in the 1871 and 1881 censuses, but no sign of his parents at all. As the family worked on canal boats perhaps this parents were frequently away, but I've not found any specific likely parents. He's probably the William Lloyd shown in Cefn in 1891 at 26 Mount Pleasant, aged 27 and with wife Elizabeth. He's definitely family, but where does he connect!

If anyone can help to identify Sarah Edwards' connection to the family of Daniel Evans, and/or the identity of William H Lloyds' parentage, I'd be very grateful!
Oxfordshire: SHAYLER, HERN,
Gloucestershire: MEADOWS, HERBERT,
Worcestershire: GRIFFIN, WOOD,
Denbighshire: WILLIAMS, JAMES, EDWARDS, DAVIES.

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 February 19 20:59 GMT (UK) »
Interesting family in Russell Street in 1871?

Eliza Rogers    40 - married, charwoman
Hannah Pritchard    19 - daughter, unmarried
Thomas Edwin Rogers    4 - son
William Lloyd Rogers    10 Months - son

mmn for Thomas and William is Lloyd

PRITCHARD, HANNAH        mmn LLOYD        
Q2  1851  WREXHAM  Volume 27  Page 293

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 February 19 21:13 GMT (UK) »
Marriages Q4 1874    Wrexham   Vol  11b   p514
Evans    Daniel       <<<
Jones    Edward        
PRITCHARD    Hannah        <<<
Roberts    Elizabeth        


EVANS, WILLIAM  LLOYD      mmn PRITCHARD        
Q2 1877   WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 315

Not sure I can find Emily - unless she was actually born in West Derby district

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 February 19 21:17 GMT (UK) »
And here is the nephew's birth

LLOYD, WILLIAM  HENRY      mmn not given (usually implies illegitimate)
Q2 1863  WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 345

I can only suppose Sarah Edwards has some connection to the Lloyd family. I suspect some switching around of names and/or partners may be going on - there is an Elizabeth Pritchard-Richard Rogers marriage in Wrexham in 1873, but that's after the census and birth of some children

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 10 February 19 21:59 GMT (UK) »
marriage 23 Nov 1874 in the parish church of Ruabon for
Daniel Evans 20 collier Cefn Mawr father Godfrey Evans shoemaker
&
Hannah Pritchard 23 Cefn Mawr father John Pritchard collier
witnesses William Richards & Mary Ann Pritchard
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 February 19 22:13 GMT (UK) »
marriage 7 Dec 1850 in the parish church of Ruabon for
John Pritchard 28 bach collier Cefn Mawr father Thomas, collier
and
Eliza Lloyd 22 spinster servant Cefn Mawr father William, collier
witnesses Thomas Jones & Mary Ann Lloyd
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 February 19 22:43 GMT (UK) »
In 1871 there is an Emma Rogers(correct age),wife of Robert,with a son Edward also of the correct age,living in Brymbo.

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 February 19 22:56 GMT (UK) »
The first listed son of that couple,Lewis,has a mmn Evans.

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Re: 1881 Census confusion in Cefn Mawr: Evans, Rogers & Edwards
« Reply #8 on: Monday 11 February 19 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Robert Rogers to Emma Evans Liverpool 1852.

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