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Offline Sue Lappin

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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #27 on: Friday 08 March 19 20:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi all my helpers!
Well this is where I have gotten to and I thought I would share.  1 so you could see the fruits of your labour and 2 so you can let me know if I'm barking up the wrong tree  ;D

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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #28 on: Friday 08 March 19 22:46 GMT (UK) »
Son Thomasís birth
Sep qtr 1865
Male Lappin
Mmn HADEN
Farnham 02A 80

A pdf copy from gro.gov.uk will confirm if itís the correct birth
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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #29 on: Friday 08 March 19 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Baptism of Thomas at St Michael & St Sebastianís Aldershot
Thomas   Lappin
Born 17 Aug 1865
Bapt 17 Sep 1865
Father Thomas   Lappin
Mother Hellena Hayden
Service branch   Army
Archive reference   BF/1/2/2
Scottish Catholic Archives on FindMyPast
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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 09 March 19 00:34 GMT (UK) »
He was 'underage' on enlistment in October 1851 & continued so until 16 April 1855 [so 18 in April 1855 - implying birth 16 April 1837]; this 4 years service is not counted in his 20 yrs 291 days. He may have inflated his age....he then had to maintain whatever age he said he was throughout his army career & probably came to believe it himself. Army record says he is 39 yrs 3/12 in 1875. Ellen says she is married in 1881, not widowed.

The last page of Thomasís service record confirms Joseyís assessment. Thomas was born Belfast and was aged 14 years 6 months on enlistment in Limerick.
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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 09 March 19 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sue, I see you have already updated your tree on Ancestry.

One thing to remember, the RC baptism for Thomas was written in Latin, therefore, his mother is still likely to be Ellen or Helena rather than Hellena.
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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 09 March 19 14:04 GMT (UK) »
thanks jc26red

I have also discovered Owen Lappin (Lappen) service number in 63rd of foot is 1336

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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 09 March 19 14:24 GMT (UK) »
All for the back burner - not confirmed yet!!

And here are an Owen & Alice in 1861: RG 9; Piece: 2458; Folio: 10; Page: 13; 4 Melbourne Yard, Nottingham [the 63rd foot army pension records on findmypast show Owen's pension was transferred to Belfast from Nottingham in June 1861]. He was discharged in 1857 after 22 yrs service.
Owen Lappin   42 b Ireland Sergt  [haven't worked out the next word yet] Indian Army so born ca 1818
Alice Lappin   40 b do
Mary Lappin   12 b Sunderland
Joseph Lappin   10 b Ireland
James Lappin   7 b do
Alice Lappin   5 b do
Ellen Lappin   2 b St Mary's Nottingham
Sarah Jane Lappin   8/12

so Thomas maybe did have a brother James (see reply #9).

The Indian bmd records on ancestry show some baptisms & burials of children to Owen & Alice.

Here's a possibility for Sarah
LAPPIN, SARAH  JANE     MANVELL 
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM  Volume 07B  Page 212

And an 1871 at Recruiting Barracks, Clifton RG10; Piece: 2540; Folio: 9; Page: 1
Owen Lappin   52 staff sergeant
Alice Lappin   50
Alice Lappin   15
Ellen Lappin   13
Sarah Lappin   10
John Lappin   8 b Ireland
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 09 March 19 14:48 GMT (UK) »
here is a baptism for John 4 Feb 1862
Name:   Owen Lappin
Gender:   Male
Parish Variants:   Alfred Street, St. Malachy's, Belfast
Diocese:   Down and Connor
Spouse:   Alice Manvill
Child:   John Lappin

And Jan 1854 Joseph
Name:   Owen Lappan
Gender:   Male
Parish Variants:   North Anne St., St. Michan's, Nth. Anne Street
Diocese:   Dublin
Spouse:   Alicia MA?ll
Child:   Joseph Lappan

And 19 Nov 1855 Alice
Name:   Owen Lappen
Gender:   Male
Parish Variants:   Haddington Road, Dublin, Irishtown, St. Mary's
Diocese:   Dublin
Spouse:   Alice Lappen
Child:   Alice Lappen
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: 63rd of Foot / Royal Irish
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 09 March 19 14:56 GMT (UK) »
Possible death of the Owen in above 1871 census
Deaths Mar 1887 
Lappin    Owen    76    Bristol    6a   36
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON