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Offline LizG56

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Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« on: Thursday 14 February 19 06:50 GMT (UK) »
My friend has asked if I could help find information on her family member. We can find information on his family but I’m finding information on Joseph John Symons very thin on the ground.

Joseph John Symons b. 1855 Douta Galla (Essendon) Melbourne

His parents are;
Father: Joseph Samuel Symons b. 10 Oct 1834, Lambeth St Mary, England,  d. 6 Oct 1890.   Gipps Ward Melbourne Hospital, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (buried Kyneton Victoria)
Mother: Jane Esther Hall b. 22 Mar 1833 Cumberland, England d. 13 May 1905 'Windmill Farm' Edgecombe, Victoria, Australia

I can’t find a death date, a wife, or any children for Joseph John. I do know that he signs his Fathers probate papers in December 1890, in Kyneton I think. And that’s it.

What am I missing? Any assistance would be gratefully received.

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 February 19 17:48 GMT (UK) »
Family Search seems to have some records .

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22joseph%20john%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Asymons~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aaustralia~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1852-1856~
Also an arrest record in the police gazette.

Name:    Joseph James Symons
[Arthur John Lewis]
Birth Year:    abt 1857
Age:    50
Event Place:    Hillston, New South Wales, Australia
Event Type:    Other
Publication Date:    9 Jan 1907
Page #:    15


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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 February 19 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Marriage reg. 3405/1878 Hay NSW, Joseph John Symons & Margaret Miller

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 February 19 19:15 GMT (UK) »
Also an arrest record in the police gazette.

Name:    Joseph James Symons
[Arthur John Lewis]
Birth Year:    abt 1857
Age:    50
Event Place:    Hillston, New South Wales, Australia
Event Type:    Other
Publication Date:    9 Jan 1907
Page #:    15

The above appears not to be the right fella.

NSW state archives
Goal indexes
SYMONS   Joseph James   Birth year  1852    Place of birth  Canada     Goal Goulburn Date of photo  06/05/1907   2066   19   NRS2232     [3/5976]
Alias: LEWIS, Arthur John

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 February 19 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I did find those records too but I'm not convinced it's the right person either. I will keep searching.

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 February 19 22:15 GMT (UK) »
His brother's death notice in 1930 mentions him. He is not noted as deceased as some others are so maybe he was still alive then.

The Argus
Tue 24 Jun 1930
SYMONS. —On the 22nd June, at Kyneton, Arthur Albert Symons, dearly beloved brother of Jane (Mrs. T. Hay), Emily (Mrs. W. Dunham), Laura (Mrs. J. L Webster), David, Mrs. E. Keogh (deceased), Sophia (Mrs. P. Keogh), William (deceased), and Joseph, aged 56 years.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4095188

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 February 19 22:50 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I did find those records too but I'm not convinced it's the right person either. I will keep searching.

According to the ‘Crim Sheet’  the Joseph James SYMONS alias Arthur John LEWIS, that was born in Canada in 1852, arrived in NSW per the ‘Yeoman’ in 1869, and was an Engineer.     He received a sentence of 12 months HL  (Hard Labour) for Horse Stealing, from the Narrandera QS (Quarter Sessions) 25 March 1907.   There are two photos on the Crim Sheet.  They were taken 6 May 1907.

Here is a live link to the free to search NSW Archives Goal Inmates/Prisoners Photos Index.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/index_image/2232_a006_a00603_5976000019r
Here is the live link for the Index, notice on the left hand ‘margin’ there’s live links to the Criminal Court Records Index and to the Criminal Depositions (Deposition Books) Index.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/gaol-inmates-prisoners-photos-index

The info there should help confirm that our OPs Joseph John SYMONS was NOT Joseph James SYMONS. 

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 February 19 00:48 GMT (UK) »
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) 
Wed 23 Dec 1942

HAY.-On December 13, at her residence, Seaholme, Mt. Martha, Jane E., relict of the late Thomas Hay, loved sister of Joseph (deceased) , William (deceased), Emily (deceased), Sophia (dereased), Sarah (deceased), Babe, Arthur (deceased), Laura (Mrs. Webster, Windmill Farm, Kyneton), aged 81 years. (Kyneton papers please copy.)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12010804

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Re: Can someone help me with information about Joseph John Symons please?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 February 19 01:01 GMT (UK) »
Magnificent, thank you.

I've trawled Trove looking for Joseph, I was obviously not searching with the right words. That is definitely the right family. I will go back there and look for more.

Liz