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Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« on: Thursday 14 February 19 16:35 GMT (UK) »
  ;) They don't get past Me that easily!

Completely random thing, this. But, I was looking at this bloke, Steer. Found him in Odiham, Hampshire. 1851. All's looking much as it should do. Except, bottom of the line up, he has " Patience Ayres ~ MIL / Widow." Age 59.

Caught my eye, obviously! But, when I checked the 1861 census? Now, she's giving it " Patience James "! 76.

Walks like a duck .....  8)
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 February 19 08:50 GMT (UK) »
She is interesting if you read here

Patience Ayres
Patience Stanley
Patience Hughes
and Patience James

All the same person ?
http://www.gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=110

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 February 19 14:41 GMT (UK) »
* High Fives Whiteout7 * Pay dirt!!!  ;D

Fantastic work, 7!
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CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 February 19 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating stuff! I've penciled Henry's wife in as " Alice " (Try to see what That flushes out).

Lo and behold; The pit is suggesting 'Ellen' JAMES! (Ellen / Ellis / Alice? You tell me!)

It gets Seriously hectic though, when Her and Henry's son knocks out a girl they call " Canay ". Then, boys, " Egar " and " Heurter O "! (Sounds like Heturah; But, that's a girls name  ???)

Okay. I'm floundering here! Any input or suggestions most welcome! This is like quicksand!  :o


Edited to say: Okay. I just penciled Ali / Elli in as James and the world imploded! I'm off to lay down!


GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 February 19 08:13 GMT (UK) »
1851
Odiham, Hampshire, England
Hartley Wintney
High Street Odiham

Henry Steer   34   born in Odiham, Hampshire
Alice Steer   Wife 28   born in Firdenbridge, Wiltshire
Henry Steer   4      born in Odiham, Hampshire
Cassy Isabella Steer   2   born in Odiham, Hampshire
Walter Steer   0   born in Odiham, Hampshire
Patience Ayers   Mother-In-Law   59 born in Hayett, Hampshire.

then maybe
Encer Octarius Steer (Enzar?)
christening:   1 March 1861   Odiham, Southampton, England
residence:      Odiham, Hampshire, England   
father:   Henry Steer
mother:   Alice

Ernest William Steer
christening:   24 August 1855   Odiham, Hampshire, England
residence:      Odiham, Hampshire, England   
father:   Henry Steer
mother:   Elice

Heber Albert Steer (Herbert?)
christening:   2 February 1853   Odiham, Hampshire, England
residence:      Odiham, Hampshire, England   
father:   Henry Steer
mother:  Ellis

Compared to:


1861
Odiham, Hampshire, England
Odiham
Hartley Wintney
High Street
Henry Steer   46   Odiham, Hampshire
Ellen Steer      40   
Canay Steer      12   Odiham, Hampshire
Walter Steer   10   Odiham, Hampshire
Edward W Steer   6   Odiham, Hampshire
Egar Steer   Son   4   Odiham, Hampshire
Hunter C Steer   Son   0   Odiham, Hampshire
Patience James   Mother In Law      74   Odiham, Hampshire.

Could you find Patience James in 1871?



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Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 February 19 09:00 GMT (UK) »
Rather interesting

GRO
STEER, ERNEST  WILLIAM     AYRES 
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY  Volume 02C  Page 122

If Ellis was his mother she was using the surnames Ayres not Hughes as her maiden name.

Again
STEER, ENCER  OCTAVIUS     AYRES 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY  Volume 02C  Page 144

and
STEER, EBER  ALBERT     AYRES 
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY  Volume 02C  Page 125

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 February 19 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Henry Steer, son of William Steer married Ellis  Ayres, dau. of John Hughes 20/3/1842 Shinfield, Berkshire.

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 February 19 10:55 GMT (UK) »
John Hughes married Patience Ensor 26/9/1803 Worcester.

Annette
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Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 February 19 11:17 GMT (UK) »
Ellis Eyers bp.9/9/1821 Fordingbridge, Hampshire, illeg. dau. of Patience Eyers.

Mmm - so Patience Ensor married John Hughes in 1803, by 1821 Patience now known as Eyers/Ayres has illegitimate daughter Ellis who marries Henry Steer 1842 and names her mothers former husband, John Hughes, as her father.

Well, at least I've accounted for 3 of the names used in the family i.e. Ensor, Hughes and Ayres.   Suspect that a Mr. James may have been Ellis' actual father - when 1st daughter Patience Steer, Dec.1844 Hartley Wintney mmn is Ayres - 2nd daughter Casey Isabella Steer Dec.1848 H.W. mmn is James.

Who Mr. Ayres was (name Patience using in 1821 and later) heaven knows.

Annette

   
Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide)
Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk