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Offline Steve G

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 February 19 21:04 GMT (UK) »
 :o What have I unleashed now?!

Okay, peeps; It almost seems like the harder I try to maintain a nice, steady plod; So the pit swamps  me with shed loads More information to be carefully sifted through.

I've just (Provisionally!) accepted their ideas of a couple of lines going back into the 1600's. Obviously, all that needs careful examination.

Then, of course, I'll have to try to  follow up all the leads you two have put on here ~ because I'll need citations for my tree.

I bought a crafty months worth. Just to shuffle a few papers. Looks like, at this rate? I'll need Another  month, just to ferret around this one!  ;D


And, Whiteout; " Could you find Patience James in 1871? "

Couldn't even find the 1871, mate!  :o I don't know What they've done to the pits search function, since I last spent my life in there. But, it throws me all over the place now :(


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CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 February 19 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Ellis Eyers bp.9/9/1821 Fordingbridge, Hampshire, illeg. dau. of Patience Eyers.

Mmm - so Patience Ensor married John Hughes in 1803, by 1821 Patience now known as Eyers/Ayres has illegitimate daughter Ellis who marries Henry Steer 1842 and names her mothers former husband, John Hughes, as her father.

Well, at least I've accounted for 3 of the names used in the family i.e. Ensor, Hughes and Ayres.   Suspect that a Mr. James may have been Ellis' actual father - when 1st daughter Patience Steer, Dec.1844 Hartley Wintney mmn is Ayres - 2nd daughter Casey Isabella Steer Dec.1848 H.W. mmn is James.

Who Mr. Ayres was (name Patience using in 1821 and later) heaven knows.

Annette

 

The Ayres surname indicates the female line I think more than the male partners surname, could be a traditon......
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 February 19 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Might add on this lady in your investigations

Keziah James born Circa 1826 (at Therfield, Berkshire?)
Keziah James married Cornelius Ayres.
Cornelius was born on June 25 1821, in Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England.
They had several children including Alfred James Ayres born circa 1848 at Chilbolton Hants.


Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 February 19 13:05 GMT (UK) »
You won't find Patience on 1871 Census - her death is registered as Patience Ayres bc.1790, Mar.qtr.1869 Hartley Wintney.

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 February 19 21:03 GMT (UK) »
I wonder what the first name Patience Ayres partner with the surname James was?

Here is another James family in the 1851 census

Sandhurst, Berkshire, England
Cookham

Sarah Hazard   Visitor'S Wife   F   76   Atworth, Wiltshire
Lettitia James   Mother   F   77   Wokingham, Berkshire
Thomas James   Grandson   M   2   Mortimer, Berkshire
Jeoseria James   Son   M      Mortimer, Berkshire
Ann James   Daughter   F   23   Bradfield, Berkshire
Jane James   Wife   F   44   Wantage, Berkshire
William James   Son   M   22   Bradfield, Berkshire
Lettitia James   Daughter   F   16   Mortimer, Berkshire
Elijah James   Son   M   12   Mortimer, Berkshire
Freedom James   Daughter   F   9   Mortimer, Berkshire
Maria James   Daughter   F   6   Mortimer, Berkshire
Elias James   Son   M   3   Mortimer, Berkshire.

Then you have Keziah James in the 1851 census to

Keziah James born Circa 1826 (at Therfield, Berkshire?)
Keziah James married Cornelius Ayres.

The Mr James that partnered Patiencce Ayres may have been deceased or just missing off the census? Could have been away working?

Husbands seem to be lacking in this census result?



Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 February 19 21:46 GMT (UK) »
I think the latest posts are 'muddying' the waters, somewhat.   According to records Cornelius Ayres was the son of a George and Rosa and I think there are enough individuals in the pot already without adding others.

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Re: Patience Ayres / James Discovered
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 February 19 05:41 GMT (UK) »
You might be right about mudding the waters.

I'd like to know who Patience Ayres partner that had the surname James is though.

Cornelius Ayres is not all that interesting because his parentage doesn't solve the issue of Patience Ayres using the surname James.

Working back through the James family records that exist might help find the mystery partner.

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)