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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #27 on: Friday 15 February 19 23:42 GMT (UK) »
The age is exactly right.
But no other Coulsons on the same trip?
That would imply she went unaccompanied.
Quite a brave thing for her to do; brave or rash.

Her mother was Florence Mary Coulson (nee Doyle).
Florence had an alias of Sheila Montague at some stage, according to Elizabeth's niece.
And as we have seen on the marriage cert, she may also have called herself Mary Allen.
Perhaps one of these names is on the same ship as Elizabeth in 1913?

I just checked my long-neglected notes for Florence and see that I once found a
Mary Coulson born 1870 on a ship to the US in 1910.
The age is correct but of course that is a very common name.

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 16 February 19 00:05 GMT (UK) »
A question now about the year 1917.

Elizabeth & Russell married in Washington State in 1917,
just months before America's entry to WW1.

Would passengers have been able to travel freely from the UK to the US at this time?

For comparison, I have an ancestor who was unable to return to the the UK from NZ in 1917
because passenger services were disrupted/cancelled due to the war.

If it was truly the case that passage in and out of the UK was impossible during wartime,
then we'd be forced to say that Elizabeth and her Mum had been in the US before 1914.

Opinions, anybody?

-DC

The Lusitania was sunk in 1915, so there were ships sailing after 1914. 

Just to randomly pick a name, there were over 69,000 voyages for people named Smith sailing to New York between 1915 & 1918.  https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Asmith%20%2Bany_year%3A1915-1918~&collection_id=1368704  Some of them appear to be women coming from the U.K., so seems like they could have traveled then.

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 16 February 19 00:44 GMT (UK) »
Excellent analysis, Shelly. Thanks.


I am now wondering about the sequence of events leading up to 1920.

() The last known appearance of Elizabeth in the UK is an adult christening in 1912 in Cardiff.
One reason a person might do this would be to marry someone of a different faith.

() The first solid proof we have of her in the US is her wedding in 1917.

() Russell goes off to war in 1917, stating on his form that he is married.

The sequence implies that they met in the US rather than in the UK and had nothing to do with his military service. Either that or Russell spent time in the UK before America's involvement in the war. He was a famously travelled man so I would not discount this possibility.

* Can we see evidence of Russell travelling in/out of the UK in the early 1910s?

-DC




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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 16 February 19 02:44 GMT (UK) »
Something new....

I obtained this data from FindMyPast:
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Coulson   Elizabeth Sanderson   
1915   
United States Marriages   
Oregon, United States
[]

Note the year is 1915.
There is a similar record for her marriage in 1917
so this appears to be a genuine, earlier marriage.

Can someone look into this and identify her husband?

-DC

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 16 February 19 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Something new....

I obtained this data from FindMyPast:
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Coulson   Elizabeth Sanderson   
1915   
United States Marriages   
Oregon, United States
[]

Note the year is 1915.
There is a similar record for her marriage in 1917
so this appears to be a genuine, earlier marriage.

Can someone look into this and identify her husband?

-DC

With the help of Groom we have found this marriage.............big thank you to Groom  ;)

Elizabeth Sanderson Coulson  - 5 June 1915 Oregon. Spouse   Chester Eli Nichols.
They were married in the house of Mary Nichols in the presence of Florence Coulson.

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 16 February 19 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Wonder if this could be Florence Coulson.............. ???

Portland, Oregon, City Directory, 1915 - Florence Coulson - 374 3d Portland Oregon. (Described as nurse on another entry  ???)

Portland, Oregon, City Directory, 1920 - Florence Coulson - r Multinomah Hotel.

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 16 February 19 13:02 GMT (UK) »

1930 census says Chester was first married at 22 years old which would be right for the marriage to Elizabeth Coulson.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCSQ-HHG

married Margaret Engelgan 13 April 1926  Vancouver Washington.

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Re: Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 16 February 19 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sandra & Groom.

Since Elizabeth and her mother are my primary focus,
I am glad that you were able to put both together in Oregon in 1915 (at E's first wedding).


I wonder what motivated them to come to the US, particularly to Portland?
And did they arrive together or at separate times? 


I flicked through my old notes for Elizabeth's brother Thomas Smith Coulson (b.1896)
and surprised myself with a note I'd forgotten I wrote:
that TSC went to the US in 1914 (briefly) before coming back to settle in 1921/22  (in Portland of course). I did not record very thorough notes in my early days so it is hard for me to backtrack.

Could I inspire one of you to have a look for TSC in 1914?
I think he landed in New York, or perhaps one of the other large eastern ports.

Maybe there will be evidence of Elizabeth and Florence on the same journey?

For my part I will see if I can track back to the source of that clue.

-DC