Dr Russell Flint Maddren and wife Elizabeth Sanderson (what is her maiden name?)

[*Sandra*]

Didn't come across anything in Hollywood Los Angeles California for Sheila Montague.

https://www.geni.com/people/James-Doyle/6000000072251355911

Sandra

[Milliepede]

That link shows Agnes E Doyle as a sister to Florence Mary so that census with Agnes sister in law is correct but I thought it said she was married.

I agree Mary B Doyle is a red herring.

[RJ137]

Got something that looks good.

1920 US census
Mary B Dayle
Multnomah, Oregon   
born abt 1878.

Have examined the form.
She is a nurse trainee living in an accommodation block with many other trainees on the hospital compound. St Vincents Hospital, Cornell Rd.
She claims born in Ireland (okay, opposite to what I suggested earlier), to Irish parents.
Arrived in the US in 1908 and achieved citizenship by naturalisation in 1918.

'Dayle' could easily be 'Doyle' due to the handwriting.
I was hoping to prove that the middle initial was a poorly scribbled 'F' but it is clearly a 'B'.

Opinions, anyone?

-DC

Same woman again in 1910 and 1930

United States Census, 1910
Mary B Doyle
Employee
birth:   1878   Ireland
residence:   1910   Portland Ward 3, Multnomah, Oregon, United States
immigration:   1908   

United States Census, 1930
Mary B Doyle
Head
birth:   1878   Ireland
residence:   1930   Portland (Districts 1-219), Multnomah, Oregon, United States
immigration:   1908

Pah!

The 1940 US Census for Mary B Doyle shows she is still a nurse and still living in Portland,
now sharing a house with a niece from Ireland.

This is a problem because (a) our Mary was supposed to be living in California by 1940 according to the recollection of her granddaughter and (b) our Mary is unlikely to have had a niece from Ireland given that she grew up in Scotland and England. (Not to say impossible however).

This tips the scale for me. If Mary the nurse from Portland is not our Mary in 1940 then we have to write off all references to Mary the nurse, from 1915, 1920 etc. This brings us back to square one with this lady.

I have seen census records of a Mary Doyle living in California in 1930 and 1940, a woman born in Ireland in the early 1870s who was working as a servant. This could be our Mary but I have seen too many near-misses now to have much confidence in the conclusion.

I'm out of ideas. Anybody else?

-DC

Ah found a better death for Mary B Doyle in 1960 Portland Multnomah County Oregon that must be her so do you think we can rule her out?

This should help clarify and/or eliminate this Mary B. Doyle.

Oregonian
Portland, Oregon
January 2, 1961

Obits:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nf2/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nf3/

[dtcoulson]

Yep. The evidence is now pretty solid that Mary B and Mary F are different people.

A 1908 arrival for our Mary would also have been difficult as it means her son Tommy arrived unaccompanied at the age of 15, or accompanied by some we don't know about.

Switching direction now, it seems to me that Mary F and her son probably came out to the US on the same ship in 1911. She has never been found in the UK 1911 census but that does not mean she is not there. Perhaps we could have another go at finding her in that census?

She would be any of these:

* Mary F Coulson / Doyle
* Florence Mary Doyle / Coulson
Born 1869-72.
Ireland or Scotland.

Likely living in Wales as her husband and children are all there at that time.





-DC

[Milliepede]

Are father and son together in 1911? 

[*Sandra*]

Are father and son together in 1911?

1911 census free index - Llandilofawr Carmarthenshire

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7N1-Q3V

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Thomas may have invented 1911, without proof its purely guess work.  Mary could have immigrated alone - she is the only one you seem to say is not on the 1911 census in Wales 
Not all information contained in census, passenger lists or other documentation is gospel -
Usually a naturalization document would give the ship and date of arrival, Thomas doesn't on his naturalization document.

The 1911 England and Wales census is available free on family search if it helps.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1921547

Sandra

[Milliepede]

Not her but whilst looking I came across a Mary Doyle born "Bublins" 

[*Sandra*]

IF this is the same Elizabeth Sanderson Coulson baptism 1912 -    Cardiff St. John, Glamorgan, Wales - Florence - Mary/Florence could well have been in Cardiff in 1912 

(Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFCX-RNJ

Sandra