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McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« on: Monday 11 February 19 21:30 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to butt in here folks but do any of you have McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry please.
Catherine McClure is the mother of my maternal G/Grandmothers baptised in Templenoe 1859
She was possibly born around the 1830-40s and her father may have been James
Ever hopeful  :)
thank you
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

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Re: Re: McCLure (MacLeod) Family
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 February 19 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to butt in here folks but do any of you have McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry please.
Catherine McClure is the mother of my maternal G/Grandmothers baptised in Templenoe 1859
She was possibly born around the 1830-40s and her father may have been James
Ever hopeful  :)
thank you

have you looked on this site?
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0666

or this site
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

Co Donegal and Co Kerry are are wee way from each other.....at opposite ends of the west coast of Ireland

You might like to ask to have the request moved to the Co Kerry board.

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Re: Re: McCLure (MacLeod) Family
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 February 19 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to butt in here folks but do any of you have McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry please.
Catherine McClure is the mother of my maternal G/Grandmothers baptised in Templenoe 1859
She was possibly born around the 1830-40s and her father may have been James
Ever hopeful  :)
thank you

have you looked on this site?
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0666

or this site
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

Co Donegal and Co Kerry are are wee way from each other.....at opposite ends of the west coast of Ireland

You might like to ask to have the request moved to the Co Kerry board.



Indeed! For the benefit of both parties it is much better to have separate threads.
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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 February 19 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Sorry to butt in here folks but do any of you have McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry please.
Catherine McClure is the mother of my maternal G/Grandmothers baptised in Templenoe 1859
She was possibly born around the 1830-40s and her father may have been James
Ever hopeful  :)
thank you


She wasn't born Catherine McClure !

You have the Baptism which shows her maiden name as per Baptism of her twins in Templenoe 1859.
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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 February 19 10:43 GMT (UK) »
CHURCH Marriage results for McClure of TEMPLENOE from 1840 to 1859  churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie

Displaying results 2


 Marriage of JOSEPH WILDE of KENMARES and MARIA MCCLURE of OLD DROMORE
on 15 April 1857
Parish/Church/Congregation - TEMPLENOE
Area - KERRY (COI)

Marriage of WILLIAM LEWIS of KILARNEY and ARABELLA MCCLURE of OLD DROMORE
on 30 November 1859
Parish/Church/Congregation - TEMPLENOE
Area - KERRY (COI)

 
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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 February 19 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ladybird

I'm a bit confused with this thread.

What is the name of the child born 1859 and do you have that baptism record?

Who was that child's Mother/Father?

Where do twins come into the picture?

Finally, why is there mention of Arabella and Maria McClure marrying in 1857 and 1859? 
I notice Maria's Father is listed as James, a farmer.

Can you please clarify.... or am I missing something.

Kind regards


 




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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 February 19 19:48 GMT (UK) »
Sorry everyone, I didn't realise this had been moved  :-[
OK yes there has been a lot of confusion over the years about the birth of my 2 g/grandmothers (twins)

This entry has been confirmed by the local parish Priest …….

"Baptism - some name confusion but correct entry
Source....
Townland | Civil Parish | Barony | Poor Law Union | County
Dromore Templenoe Dunkerron South Kenmare Kerry
 Entry number 170.
(my note: Baptised Roman Catholic)
Born on 6th August 1859, Baptised on 27th August 1859,  Sara & Francesca [Latin], the illegitimate daughters of John McClure and Catherine Mara of Dromore.  Daniel Kelly and Mary Sullivan stood as Sara & Francesca’s sponsors.


The surnames of mother and father have been transposed, whether by a kindly priest at that time I don't know, to give the girls their father's surname.
So
John Mara and Catherine McClure gave birth to Sarah and Francesca Mara.

Also, in the Tithe Applotment books for 1840
James McClure leased a house, offices and land from D. Mahony in the townland of Old Dromore.  The record was taken on 28th September 1852.
James McClure also leased property in the townlands of Cappancush West and Reacashlagh.

Is there anyway I can find a connection between James and Catherine.
sorry I realise it's well nigh impossible, it's taken me years to get this far  :(
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 February 19 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Sorry everyone, I didn't realise this had been moved  :-[
OK yes there has been a lot of confusion over the years about the birth of my 2 g/grandmothers (twins)

This entry has been confirmed by the local parish Priest …….

"Baptism - some name confusion but correct entry
Source....
Townland | Civil Parish | Barony | Poor Law Union | County
Dromore Templenoe Dunkerron South Kenmare Kerry
 Entry number 170.
(my note: Baptised Roman Catholic)
Born on 6th August 1859, Baptised on 27th August 1859,  Sara & Francesca [Latin], the illegitimate daughters of John McClure and Catherine Mara of Dromore.  Daniel Kelly and Mary Sullivan stood as Sara & Francesca’s sponsors.


The surnames of mother and father have been transposed, whether by a kindly priest at that time I don't know, to give the girls their father's surname.
So
John Mara and Catherine McClure gave birth to Sarah and Francesca Mara.


Also, in the Tithe Applotment books for 1840
James McClure leased a house, offices and land from D. Mahony in the townland of Old Dromore.  The record was taken on 28th September 1852.
James McClure also leased property in the townlands of Cappancush West and Reacashlagh.

Is there anyway I can find a connection between James and Catherine.
sorry I realise it's well nigh impossible, it's taken me years to get this far  :(


Well the Church record says

John McClure and Catherine  Mara  gave birth to Sarah and Francesca McClure!!

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634291#page/14/mode/1up

How do you know names have been transposed
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Re: McClures in Kenmare, Co Kerry
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 February 19 20:24 GMT (UK) »
As I said a lot of confusion :-)
These are definitely my g/grandmothers (my own mother remembered her grandmothers) their surname was definitely Mara and their father was definitely John Mara. I had some discussion via email about this with the priest who helped me and he could throw no more light on it

Just for a bit of a laugh I'll throw this in too showing the horrors of the IGI. Ignore it, it is totally wrong. Right names wrong people :-)

IGI entry
SARAH TOWNSEND  (my note - Meara)
 Birth:  06 AUG 1859   Dronnore, , Kerry, Ireland (my note - Dromore, Kenmare, Co Kerry)
Parents:
  Father:  JOHN MCCLURE TOWNSEND (my note - Meara)
  Mother:  CATHERINE O MEARY (my note - McClure)
Source Information:
 Batch Number:  6940410     
 
Main names:
Scotland (Travellers) - Townsend/Townsley
Lanark and Stirling - Jeffrey.
Northumberland/ Durham - Newton, Nixon, Sharp, Greaves, Naters
Warwickshire and London - Garfield.
Ireland, Co. Kerry - Marah/Meara/Mara
Lincs - Smith, Vinter

other offshoots - Berry, Steven, Craig, Atkins, Fuller, , Stewart, Conway, Heather,

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk