John GARTH (b. ca. 1766, d. 1842) - where did he come from?

[wivenhoe]

"..Some of his children's baptismal records list him as a cotton weaver..."

What do the others records list for occupation?

Can you list the baptism records that you have, with location, dates, parents names, and fathers occupation.

[lmfamilyresearch]

I have the baptismal records for George, Nancy, Betty, Isabella, Mary, Reuben and William.  Only on Betty's does it mention that John is a Cotton Weaver.  The other baptismal records don't mention John's occupation.

[Footo]

Marriage register didn't state whether John Garth was a bachelor or not. The only fact it gave about him was his abode - Bootheroyd. Bride, Mary Kershaw was of "Toad Lane in this parish". Wedding was at St. Chad, Rochdale, 13th Nov. 1797. Witness Luke Neild, John Kershaw.
Lancashire Online Parish Clerks www.lan-opc.org.uk
Edit. Luke Neild must have been a church official. He witnessed many marriages that year.

There is a Brotherod (Caldershaw) rather than Bootheroyd near Healey and Shawclough station in Rochdale and a Brotherod Mill.  Doesn’t help with his place of birth...

Tried to attach map but my file size is too big 😕

[Footo]

Map

[Maiden Stone]

"..Some of his children's baptismal records list him as a cotton weaver..."

What do the others records list for occupation?

Can you list the baptism records that you have, with location, dates, parents names, and fathers occupation.

Baptisms of children of John & Mary Garth in Rochdale:
George  1799   Blackwater St. Unitarian Chapel;    abode Toad Lane
Nancy    1801   Blackwater St. Unit. Chapel;          abode Toad Lane
Betty     1803    Union St. Wesleyan;                      abode Toad Lane;   occupation cotton weaver
Isabella 1805    Blackwater St. Unit. Chapel;          abode Toad Lane
Mary     1807     Blackwater St.  Unit. Chapel;        abode Rochdale
Reuben 1812     St. Stephen, Rochdale;  born 1810
William 1812     St. Stephen, Rochdale;  born 1812
Parents for all were John & Mary.
Was a change from Unitarian to Wesleyan Methodist, back to Unitarian , then to Church of England, likely in Rochdale in the first 2 decades of 19th century? Delving into history of Non-Conformist chapels in Rochdale may provide some clues. It may have been that the parents had different views on religion.

Burial 1806 St. Chad, Rochdale;
Isabella, a child of John Garth; abode Toad Lane; occupation footman.

Are we certain that parents of Reuben (born 1810, baptised 1812) and William (baptised 1812) were the same John & Mary? There was no information about abode or occupation. The different denomination raised a doubt in my mind.
There was another John & Mary Garth who had some children (including 2 more called Reuben) baptised at Shaw Chapel which was C. of E. A John Garth of Prestwich parish married Mary Taylor of Ashton-under-Lyne parish at St. Michael & All Angels, Ashton-u-Lyne 1811. Banns called at St. Mary, Oldham, "John Garth, this parish". I wondered if Reuben might have been born before the marriage.

[Maiden Stone]

".. daughter Mary and her husband (William Wright) on High Street (from the 1841 Census)"

Census 1841  at Rochdale, Lancashire
WRIGHT William   37yrs
WRIGHT Mary      30 yrs
WRIGHT George    6 yrs
WRIGHT William    3 yrs
WRIGHT Elizabeth  8 mths
GARTH John         70 yrs     ind. means
GARTH Walter       15 yrs
and several others grouped as one household....some Irish born........difficult to read....


Is this your Walter....with grandmother?
Census 1851  at 31 High Street Wardleworth Lancashire
GARTH Walter            23 yrs  head  tallow chandler            b. Rochdale, Lancashire
GARTH Lucy               22 yrs  wife   ***** spinner             b. Preston Lancashire
MITCHELL Jane           19 yrs unmarried   "     "                  b. Oldham, Lancashire
BOOCOCK Margaret     64 yrs  grandmother  widow paup    b. Scotland

What was occupation of Walter on 1841 census? His recorded age of 15 on that census should mean that he was aged 15-19.

Marriage St. Chad, Rochdale 1848
Walter Garth age 21, chandler, bachelor, abode High St.
Lucy Smith, 19, spinster, High St.
Groom's father John Garth, blacksmith
Bride's father   Thomas Smith, printer
Witness John Newcombe, Ann Crossley

Several baptisms at St. Chad of children of Walter: Mary 1850; John 1852; Ellen 1857; Margaret 1857; Emma 1859.
No baptism on LANOPC for Walter.

[Maiden Stone]

Burial St. Chad, Rochdale 6th February 1838
Mary Garth, wife of John Garth; age 61; abode Toad Lane.
Could she have been mother of Walter?

[Maiden Stone]

Does the marriage record, 1797, describe him to be a bachelor, or is this possibly a second marriage for John GARTH, born ~ 1766?

I wonder if Walter Garth, who was with John on 1841 census, might have been John's grandson through a son of a possible first marriage.

[lmfamilyresearch]

I don't even know where this Walter Garth came from.  There's no baptism record for him in the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project. There's also nothing on Find My Past (for a Walter baptised about 1826).  However, there is his marriage record.  On Find My Past there is an 1861 death index for a Walter Garth (age 41) in Rochdale.  A Walter Garth b. about 1826 does not appear on the 1871 census but his widow Lucy (and a couple of children) do so it is entirely possible that the Walter Garth that died in 1861 is the same one that appears on the 1841 census with John Garth.  However, I'm still not able to connect Walter with John (other than them appearing on the 1841 census together).  On the 1851 and 1861 census, Walter indicates his city of birth is Rochdale.