Gertrude Jones/Hayes.

[cinny22]

Sorry rosie99, i thought i had to "finish" one discussion to start another?.........sorry if i have messed things up.
Cinny22

[jonw65]

That was the card of Paul Bertram Jones that I was looking at, with his wife named on it
So the Berkley Street address probably not relevant

But she would be getting the pension...

[heywood]

Do you mind my going back to Gertrude?

The address 48 Powis Street has been mentioned. In 1920s, Peter and Margaret Hayes are living there and in 1925, Thomas Peter Hayes is there.
There is a birth for Thomas Peter in 1902 mmn Conroy.
There is a Mary Gertrude b 1898 mmn Conroy.

In 1901 3414/159/22

Margaret Hayes and M Gertrude are with Conroy relatives.

1911 Margaret and her children are at the address shown on the medal card. I think her husband is a Seaman.

What is the occupation of Gertrude’s father on her marriage to Bertram?

[cinny22]

Hi,
          The occupation for Peter Hayes on Gertrude's marriage is Engine Greaser, Merchant Service.

Does this mean that Peter is on ships..........perhaps this is how my G-Uncle Bertram, got his start in ships?

Can you explain this, i'm sorry i'm not sure what "mmm" means:

There is a birth for Thomas Peter in 1902 mmn Conroy.
There is a Mary Gertrude b 1898 mmn Conroy.

Thank you for your expertise. Cinny22

[heywood]

Hi,
It means mother’s maiden name.
That is the right occupation for father, Peter - I just think you have the wrong Gertrude and mother’s name is Margaret not Ann.

Mary Gertrude Hayes was born 16th November 1898 and baptised 20th November 1898.

[cinny22]

Thank you. Sorry for the delay in answering, i have been trying to find the marriage of Peter Hayes to Margaret Conroy.............nothing as yet......will keep looking.
I will look also for the 1911 Census.
Will get back to you soon...................my best Cinny22

[lancsann]

two Medals were awarded for Bertram and given to his widow Mrs. G. Jones 48 Powis St, Liverpool on the 19th of Dec 1923.

Peter + Margaret Hayes listed at that address on the electoral registers.
A later address for Gertrude - 52(?) Berkley Street
So far only found Cluness there, and not Gertrude

That other address is from a (very) quick glimpse I got of her Mercantile Marine Index Card in the new WW1 pension records, she being the widow of Bertram of the Thracia, and with one child. The 48 Powis address was crossed out. Says PTO.
If there's more on the other side of the card, only a Fold3 member could get hold of it

Do you still want what is on P2 of this record. I have Fold3 access but struggling to find the record on ancestry

[heywood]

Margaret Conroy married Peter Hayes 1894 Liverpool Register Office or Registrar attended


Burial Ford Cemetery 26th January 1931

Peter Hayes 60 yrs  48 Powis Street

[jonw65]

Hi heywood lancsann
That would be very kind of you. Don't know if the other side of that card will help Cinny, but let's hope so!
Paul Bertram Jones
link from ancestry
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=WesternFrontAssociation&indiv=try&h=1801

John