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Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« on: Sunday 17 February 19 23:57 GMT (UK) »
Were deaths at sea registered?

A passenger list for the Argyle to Port Phillip in 1841 says that 5 female adults died during the voyage but doesn't record their names. If their deaths were registered after landing, I might be able to identify them.

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England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 February 19 01:30 GMT (UK) »
1841 ... Victoria was still part of New South Wales ...  Civil registration of BDM commenced in NSW in March 1856.

Perhaps you need to seek out the Surgeon's report or the Ship's log to see if either has recorded the names of those passengers, likely cause of death and date too.


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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 February 19 01:36 GMT (UK) »
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4813&ship=Argyle%20[1] 

Passenger List ... perhaps the passenger's name may have been crossed out, or the bounty reduced or not collected ....

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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 February 19 01:42 GMT (UK) »
Were deaths at sea registered?

A passenger list for the Argyle to Port Phillip in 1841 says that 5 female adults died during the voyage but doesn't record their names. If their deaths were registered after landing, I might be able to identify them.

Jan
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225013004  3 March 1841 Marine Gazette

Ummm.... this article only mentions two deaths, infants ...  ::)  but no surnames ...

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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 February 19 04:29 GMT (UK) »
There were two arrivals for vessels named ARGYLE in 1841.  One in March and the second in April. Which voyage are you interested in?

JM has linked the Mar arrival and here is the Apr arrival
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92678252

The Marine Index for Victoria for events at sea on board international and coastal ships bound for port In Victoria, has a date range of 1853 to 1920.

I would suggest the entries in ship's log may be the only record.
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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 February 19 06:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Deaths at sea had to be reported in the victims country of origin by the ship's captain. On his next port of call in the country they were born in.
I know this because my 3x get grandmother died at sea on the Alfred in 1841 just a few days before the ship arrived in Sydney. Since I received her details I have been told that these Deaths at Sea are now available on familysearch.com, and I think Ancestry and findmypast.com also has them now.

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Pilton area, MASTERS,PORCH,BOULTON,WRINTMORE
Frome; HACKETT,Combe Hay, HINTON,WEEKS,
PERTHSHIRE: CRICHTON,TAYLOR,MOON,IRONS,KIDD
DUR: FENWICK,PUNSHON,EDDY,{HENRY aka LAVERICK}
NBL: BUCHANAN,HODGSON
LIN: MASKEY,BIRD,FISHER,HARLEY,
CAM: CROSS,FOREMAN,FREEMAN,ONG,FEAST,MOXON
GLS; HILL,COX,NEWELL
SSX: CHAPMAN,STEVENS,DOWNER
SUR: NEWELL,LENEY,WEBB,BECRAFT
HRT; BEECROFT,RANDAL,HOBBS,MARSON
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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 February 19 06:39 GMT (UK) »
JM and cando,Thanks for the feedback. It was the second Argyle I'm interested in. My ancestor was the surgeon and was reprimanded for downplaying the 45 deaths on board in his report. Unfortunately no crossings out on the passenger lists (there are two versions). No log seems to have survived either.

Thanks Geoff for the info about where the burials were reported. Useful information to have. I'm trying to verify a family story that my gg grandmother's aunt died on the voyage. Only problem is, I don't have her name, only that she was Irish, from Co Tyrone, or perhaps Donegal. I'll try searching using the names of the female passengers but I suspect the Irish records don't exist for this period.

England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #7 on: Monday 18 February 19 07:04 GMT (UK) »
NSW archives should also have digitised the April 1841  passenger   list. 

Have you tried the Log of Logs?

What name for your elusive Irish lass?

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Re: Registration of deaths at sea - 1841 Victoria
« Reply #8 on: Monday 18 February 19 07:25 GMT (UK) »
JM I do have copies of the passenger list, also one of the bounty list which is a little different. The problem is I don't know the name of the aunt! Her nieces were Margaret and Martha Nelson from Co Tyrone, daughter of Robert and Mary Nelson.

These family stories will be the death of me :-)

Where can I access the Log of Logs? I have a distant memory of consulting it in the National Library in Canberra ...

England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, KIRBY, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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