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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland
Which lists the 2 Dukedoms, 10 Marquessates, 43 Earldoms, 28 Viscountcies and 52 Baronies extant in the Peerage of Ireland.
It also lists the other titles held by these posts.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Have a look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland
Which lists the 2 Dukedoms, 10 Marquessates, 43 Earldoms, 28 Viscountcies and 52 Baronies extant in the Peerage of Ireland.
It also lists the other titles held by these posts.

Thanks KGarrad. Yes, the Peerage is listed there (with no other titles).

Andrew. I have not gone so far as to look at wills I'm afraid. The current title is held by a remote cousin of the previous peer and though a little has been written about it there was no mention of passing the peerage in his will. I didn't know you could even do that.  :) Considering the process involved it seems unlikely.  :-\

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 02 July 20 15:20 BST (UK) »
Ruskie

Would like to discuss this with you if you would like.



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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #12 on: Friday 03 July 20 08:15 BST (UK) »
Peerages are the gift of a monarch & succession to one is due to the terms of the patent granted at the time. I can't see these including passing it on to whoever? or selling it to the highest bidder for that matter?

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #13 on: Friday 03 July 20 08:55 BST (UK) »
I suggest you ask here:
https://groups.google.com/g/peerage-news

The members of the group are a mine of information.

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #14 on: Friday 03 July 20 12:42 BST (UK) »
"succession to one is due to the terms of the patent granted at the time."

Since the original grant of a title, there have been literally dozens of changes to the occasions and methods by which it could be conferred or transferred to another individual, particularly in the modern era (since 1990). Your post is partially correct; however, your tone indicates that you know everything about it and therefore have the right to be dismissive of the OP. I believe you are in error.

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #15 on: Friday 03 July 20 13:03 BST (UK) »
Why there are still Irish peerages in a republic is a bit strange anyhow & given that Oscar Wilde claimed that "Burke's Peerage" was the greatest work of fiction yet published in the English language but give us some examples of peerages being sold/transferred by their possessor. The earl of Home renounced his & Tony Benn's son is trying to reclaim the peerage his Socialist father fought so long to get rid of!
 I believe you can buy the lordship of an English manor, not quite the same thing & possibly an imbecile might not inherit?

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #16 on: Friday 03 July 20 14:12 BST (UK) »
Hello all. I am surprised to see this old thread revived.

Thank you for the offer of help Daniel.

Unfortunately the person who may have a claim I don't think is interested in pursuing this.
 
The "heir presumptive" I believe might be a cousin of his, however it is difficult to get information from the possible claimant as I am relying on other people to pass on my questions, and the possible claimant knows very little about any of his family (possibly not even who his cousins are).

The possible claimant's father died last year and there were conflicts over the will so he has been preoccupied with solicitors etc.

Daniel, I am still curious to know if this person does have a claim, so depending on what information I need in order that you may be able to advise me, perhaps we could correspond via PM.

Thank you all again.

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Re: Advice on claim to Irish Peerage
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 04 July 20 07:41 BST (UK) »
given that Oscar Wilde claimed that "Burke's Peerage" was the greatest work of fiction yet published in the English language

You wrote that last year Skoosh!

Was Oscar Wilde a genealogist?

With my research I've been pleasantly surprised to find original documents supporting various relationships in the titled lines of our family.  There are some huge gaps in the records, but that's what happens when you're attainted, then restored. 

I didn't find your tone dismissive at all.