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1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« on: Tuesday 19 February 19 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Good morning and thank you for any help that can be given.

I have found my 3xG grandmother "Fanny Oxtoby" in the 1861 census for Hull Holy Trinity (RG9/3589/19/32) living with her brother William (who has the same name as their father). The confusion that I have and that I seek advice over is the relationships of the rest of the household.

  • William's wife is Hannah
  • William has a stepson called Charles F Taylor
  • William has a niece called Eleanor Frobisher

  • I first assumed that as Charles' surname was Taylor, this must have been a previous married name of Hannah's. However, there is a marriage between a William Oxtoby and a Hannah Taylor on 10 Sep 1851 where Hannah is recorded as a spinster and her father is also "Taylor".
  • This leads me to believing that maybe Charles F was born out of wedlock with Taylor being Hannah's maiden name, however, I cannot find a birth or baptism to confirm his parents.
  • The neice Eleanor must either be a sister of Hannah (Taylor) that married a Frobisher (unlikley as she is only 14) or maybe Hannah wasn't originally a Taylor after all and was a Frobisher.
  • Alternatively, Eleanor could be the daughter of a sister of William who married a Frobisher.  Again, I have been unable to find a birth or baptism for Eleanor to prove or disprove this. Nor have I been able to find an appropriate marriage between an Oxtoby and a Frobisher.

It is frustrating that there seems to be so much waiting to be found in this census entry but I have been unable to unpick it.

Any advice and wisdom is very much appreciated!

Nic
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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 12:08 GMT (UK) »
At the moment  cannot see Eleanor Frobisher  listed other than 1861

deleted, the marriage 1856 must be wrong

Louisa Maud
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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 12:33 GMT (UK) »
Charles Frederic Taylor
birth registered D qtr 1843
Kingston upon Hull
Mother's maiden name furbishaw

Louisa Maud
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Louisa Maud,

Hmmm - I think that I am now a little more confused!   ???

Is Charles Hannah' son?
Are Eleanor and Hannah related?
Was Hannah a Frobisher / Furbishaw at some stage?
Are Frobisher and / Furbishaw the same?

Your help in solving this one is much appreciated!

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Newcastle: Patterson
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery


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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 12:43 GMT (UK) »
FROBISHER, HELENA       MMN WOOFFENDEN 
1846  Sept Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD UNION  Volume 22  Page 402


Marriages Dec qtr1837 
FROBISHER    Freckfield       
WOFFENDEN    Ann       
Huddersfield    22   259
 
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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 12:48 GMT (UK) »
1851 has Helena age 4 born Lockwood, Yorkshire
HO107/2296 f31 p23

ADDED Fretchfield Frobishers marriage names his mother - Nanny Frobisher
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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps the birth cert for Charles Frederic might be a good idea

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 18:35 GMT (UK) »
teach3r
Have you found this family on any other census

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: 1861 Oxtoby, Taylor and Frobisher confusion
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 February 19 18:49 GMT (UK) »
1841 Lockwood
Fretchfield FRITSCHER,  altered to Frobisher aged 30
Ann aged 25
Hannah aged 1

Louisa Maud
Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London