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Offline ShaunJ

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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 February 19 11:40 GMT (UK) »
William James Clarke (a waiter) and Eliza Carter were married at St John's Lambeth on 6 March 1864
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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 February 19 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Frederick's birth may well have been the Q 3 1872 registration in Wandsworth district which includes Battersea (added to his birth place on his attestation). He appears in the 1891 census in the 1st Division Field Artillery in Aldershot and in 1911 in Bulford (second child born there 1911 ) in 139 Battery, as his record of service, place of birth consistently Surrey as per his attestation.

Seems the parents managed to get Amy baptised in London 8 Mar 1868 born 10 Feb 1868 leaving the others until Bristol except Alice baptism not found.

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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #11 on: Friday 22 February 19 05:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your interest and information.
I realise that I should have fuller in the details offered for your help.
First the marriage certificate for Frederick and Alice
Frederick's father was listed as James a Carpenter
Alice's father was listed as Thomas a Plumber
I believe he was in fact an Umbrella Maker and like all his children came from the Lymington RD (A witness to the wedding was Bessie Ellen Buckell elder sister of Alice.)
The children of the marriage were
Alec 1907, Geoffrey 1909, Joan 1911 and Donald who only lived a short time born 1919.

Dathai has found the best candidate for Frederick yet, born in Bradford.

So I'm looking for Frederick's father, a Carpenter called James who might have come from Bradford. So far without success.

NormanE


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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #12 on: Friday 22 February 19 08:20 GMT (UK) »
No Norman, I have found you the right family. There is no doubt about it. Father James was a waiter. His addresses are listed in Frederick's army papers. So is the marriage to Alice, and the births of Alec, Geoffrey and Joan.

Frederick was in India in 1901 and so could not be in the 1901 census in Bradford.
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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #13 on: Friday 22 February 19 09:15 GMT (UK) »
Agree totally with Shaun J - in addition, his birth place as Surrey is consistent with his attestation paper and the two census returns he appears in.  Father James was living in Bristol when Frederick attested in 1878 at 26 Colley (spelling?) Street, also consistent with the birth of the last 3 children in Bristol.  Address later amended on the attetstaion papers to Cotswold Road Bristol where James was in 1901.


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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #14 on: Friday 22 February 19 09:20 GMT (UK) »
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26 Colley (spelling?) Street

25 College Street. James is there in the 1891 census
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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #15 on: Friday 22 February 19 09:29 GMT (UK) »
Likely birth registration:

Clarke, Frederick - Wandsworth, September quarter 1872 Volume 1d page 587
MMN Carter

The baptism, as previously posted, was in Bristol in 1874. The date of birth (13 August 1872) ties in with his 1939 register listing in Exeter.
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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #16 on: Friday 22 February 19 09:50 GMT (UK) »
WOW Gentlemen
Feel a little overwhelmed with what you have presented me with.
How can I get a copy of Frederick's military records?  Re Frederick's attestation you mentioned MaxD, did you mean 1878?
Frederick died at Exeter in December 1940
It does seem that the occupations of Frederick's and Alice's parents were incorrect on the marriage certificate.
I need time now to digest all this wonderful news. I will be back, but my thanks and admiration for what you have acheived
NormanE 

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Re: Frederick Clarke c 1873 and the 68th Battery Royal Artillery
« Reply #17 on: Friday 22 February 19 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Shaun J posted a link to his papers on Findmypast right at the start of the thread. You may be able to get a pay as you go or a trial sub or a local library may have access.  I had assumed you had looked at the papers!


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