Torval Johanssen

[Karytay]

Is there anyone that can help please


I am looking for Torval Johanssen born abt. 1876 in Norway, who emigrated to South Africa.

Can someone help with emigration papers or/and ships passenger list, please. Trying to find his parents.

How is some more info about him.

He married Hester Lawrence in Cape Town in 1896. They had a few children in the Cape then moved to the Transvaal, Johannesburg area were they had more children and he died in 1916 Johannesburg.

On some documents his name is written as Torbal Johanssen.

The names of his children are 
Dora or Tora Elizabeth b. 1897 Cape Town
Sorn Henry also know as Harry b. 1898 Cape Town
Susan b. ? Cape
Torval or Torbal b. 1901 Cape
Hester Anita or Ester or Esther b. 1902 d.1902 Cape
Alfred Hector b. 1905 Johannesburg d 1970
Lettie b. 1907 Johannesburg
James b. 1908 Johannesburg died 1983
Hester b. abt 1913 Johannesburg



Thanks

[TreeSpirit]

I believe that there was no child called Susan, but there were a few others. This is my list of children:

Doris/Dora/Tora Elizabeth Jane Johanssen  b 8 Feb 1897, bap 6 Jun 1897 St Mark, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KYJF-L66 )
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Suran/Sorn Henry Johanssen b 15 AUG 1898, bap 18 Sep 1898 St Mark, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KYJF-GL4 )
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Henry Johannsen b 10 Aug 1899
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Torbal/Torval Johanssen b 6 Jul 1901, bap 9 Aug 1901 St Mark, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KYJF-RGQ )
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Esther/Hester Armeta Johanssen b 27 Sep 1902, bap 30 Nov 1902 St Mark, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KYJF-YDX ), d 14 Dec 1902 City Gates, Cape Town, burial Maitland, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2QM-ZY6L )
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Christian Johanssen b 16 Sep 1903, bap 12 Dec 1903 St Luke, Soutrivier, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-2Q4B ), d 21 Apr 1904 Woodstock, Cape Town, burial Maitland, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2QM-8HYF )
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Alfred Hector Johanssen b 4/6 Dec 1905, bap 12 Aug 1906 Good Shepherd, Maitland, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVS4-PZWH )
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Lettie Johanssen b 10 Apr1907
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James Johanssen b 22 May 1908, d 1983, burial Boksburg, Gauteng (http://www.graves-at-eggsa.org/main.php?g2_itemId=3951688)
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Hester/Lilian Grace Johanssen b 29 Sep 1913, bap 21 Dec 1913 St Mary the Less, Jeppestown, Johannesburg (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KYJS-78B )
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?? This final possibility is back in Capetown
Albert Johannsen b abt 1914, d 20 May 1915 Woodstock, Cape Town, burial Maitland, Cape Town (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2QM-64LT )

[Karytay]

Wow, thanks TreeSpirit that clears up the confusion of the children. What I read as Susan was actually Suran on Toval's death notice.

Tree Spirit are you related to them?

I am trying to find the children of Torval's son James Johanssen b 22 May 1908, d 1983, burial Boksburg, Gauteng. I have a feeling he might be my aunts father.

[TreeSpirit]

Your best bet would be James' or Martha's estate files. Unfortunately the 1983 and 1986 Transvaal estate files aren't online (yet). I can see that FS is busy digitising 1976, so there's still a bit more work to be done.
It seems that acquiring SA documents via official channels can be a bit of a hit and miss, so I'll leave it to someone else to give advise on this.

And no, I have no personal connection to South Africa or Norway ...

[Karytay]

Thanks. To get the estate files I will have to order them from the  master of the court in Pretoria. I was just hopping that there was  a family member that is busy with the same tree and would see this post and respond. It could happen! I have read how it has happened to some people.

[TreeSpirit]

Because of the Anna M Johanssen at Torvalds wedding, I found an Anna Maria Johanssen who married an Alfred Oscar Forster. With this I found a family that seemed to have various of the same first names as Torvald's kids and the dad was a carpenter as well. Here is a rough (not complete) outline:

Sören Johansen, occ carpenter (1884, 1889)
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Anette Andersen b abt 1853 Norway, d 24 aug 1936 North Melbourne VIC AU, bur Fawkner cem (X#2 1909 VIC AU to James Ebenezer Hartshorn)

Children (there could have been more):
John Alfred b 3 April 1874, bap 3 May 1874 Rygge, Østfold, Norway, d 1932 VIC AU X 1909 Vic AU to Jane Clark
Anna Marie b 4 January 1879, bap 9 mar Rygge, Østfold, Norway, d 1931 VIC, AU X 8 Feb 1905 Wynberg, Cape, SA to Alfred Oscar Forster
Thora/Dora Josephine/Josine b 10 March 1881,bap 18 April Rygge, Østfold, Norway,d 16 Apr 1963 VIC, AU x 1908 VIC AU to Alfred Ernest Charles Kellen
Hjalmar b 19 Aug 1884, bap 05 Dec 1884 St George, Knysna, George, Cape
Christopher b 20 Nov 1887, bap 26 Jan 1886 St George, Knysna, George, Cape, d 1961 VIC AU X 1908 VIC AU Margt Ellen Walkinshaw
Sörby b 18 Feb 1889, bap 03 Apr 1889 St George, Knysna, George, Cape
Ida Norle(e)na b abt 1893, d 1975 VIC, AU X1913 VIC AU Charles James Campbell


There was no Torvald mentioned in the available indices, but I had a direct look at the Parish records for Rygge, Østfold and found the that Sören and Anette had had at least one more child!:
Thorvald b 30 April 1876, bap 5 Jun 1876 Rygge, Østfold, Norway(http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060928040572.jpg )

[Karytay]

Oh my! thanks Tree Spirit. It looks very likely that you have found the family. Torval's first son was named Sorn Henry , Sorn from his father's father and Henry from his mother's father.

And Toval did name a daughter Anette /Annita , Hester Anette , first name from mother's side.

I see Anette Anderson ended up in Australia, must of gone over with her last child, I see Ida also died in Australia. 

Now I have a lot  of work, thanks. It is just a pity the Johanssen man that was researching his family is now dead. He would of been excited with this info.

[TreeSpirit]

There was one question still open re Torvald's emigration:

I've finally worked out how to find it! From the same Parish (i.e. Rygge, Østfold), here is the “out-migration” for the family in 1882:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060718050518.jpg

[Karytay]

Wow Tree Spirit, thank-you this is awesome.

lot of the other name's have the destination as the Kaap, but I cannot make out what it says by the Johanssen's ?