No birth record

[Dingaling]

I am searching the family of Robert William Evans bc 1875 North Wales died 1913 Senghenyyd Mine Disaster Wales. His brother Joseph Arthur Evans bc 1880 and wife Elizabeth Annie Evans adopted the son born to Robert Evans and wife Emma in 1913 after the death of his father in 1913..
The son was Robert William Evans b 21st October 1913.
My research has found a 1881 census but does not list Robert W Evans bc 1875.
The details of the 1881 census is.
Robert Evans b 1846 Ruabon Denbighshire living Queen Street District Wrexham
Mary Evans b 1847 Selatyn Shropshire
David Evans b 1869 Ruabon Denbighshire
Elizabeth A Evans b 1871 Ruabon Denbighshire
Watkin Evans b 1874 Ruabon Denbighshire
Joseph A Evans b 1879 Ruabon
I have found a marriage entry in 1868 of Robert Evans b 1846 and Mary Riley and have a birth cert of a Joseph Arthur Evans b 1879 at Queen Street Ruabon. Mothers name is Mary Riley.

I am puzzled as to why no further census records and NO birth of a Robert William Evans bc 1875,
Are there census and birth records missing from the collections.
Hoping someone may be able to help.

[whiteout7]

From the GRO

EVANS, JOSEPH  ARTHUR     RELEY  <----- most probably Riley like you say
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 294

EVANS, WATKIN       ROYLEY  <---- most probably Riley like you say
GRO Reference: 1873  D Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 283

EVANS, DAVID       REILEY 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 353

Curious! I can't spot him either .... Perhaps they were not brothers? Maybe Cousins?

[Dingaling]

Thank you Whiteout7 for your reply.
How hard it is to make a judgement and say that they do belong to my Evans family but I do believe so.
The birth of Robert William Evans bc 1875 North Wales to Robert Evans is a puzzle...my thoughts are he may have been fostered or adopted or maybe under another christian name or his birth year wrong.
Joseph Arthur Evans was born Feb 1879 to Mary Reley (Riley) of 4 Queen Street Cepe Mawr Ruabon. His father is Robert Evans a farmer/Coal Miner. Joseph a travelling draper married Elizabeth Annie Jones in 1910 Salford Lancashire. Joseph A Evans died 1919 and his widow Elizabeth Annie Evans remarried 1925 to John Edward Evans, The 1939 Registry has them living at Rhosellinchug North Wales. there were No children to the marriage.    I have written certificates of the above. 
There were several Evans families living at Ruabon Wrexham so more research has to be done.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

[Gadget]

Hi

Another member* was asking about this person a while ago - maybe in the last 18 months. I recall doing quite a bit of research for her but I can't find the thread at the moment.

I'll see if I can find it and get back to you.


Gadget

* I see it was Dingaling 

[Gadget]

Here is a previous thread on the subject. There maybe more.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755850.0

[Gadget]

I think the info is recorded here:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767899.msg6202057#msg6202057

and around.


Gadget

[Gadget]

and here's a link to other threads:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767899.msg6201980#msg6201980


Gadget

[Dingaling]

Yes Gadget you have helped me many times before with my posts.
I have ascertained that Joseph Arthur Evans bc 1879 and his wife Elizabeth Annie Evans nee Jones adopted Robert William Evans b 1913 Senghenyyd (Written Paper) in 1913.
After the death of Joseph Arthur Evans in 1919
Elizabeth Annie Evans remarried John Edward Evans in 1925 ( John E Evans being the son of John Evans and Catherine Jones) they resided Rhosellinchrugog Wales.
It is quoted from family that Joseph Arthur Evans bc 1879 was the brother of Robert William Evans bc 1875.
But unfortunately no birth entry of Robert William Evans can be found and I cannot locate a 1891 census or 1901 census for the family.
This maze is slowly unwinding and hope to find the rightful Evans family.
Many thanks for all your help.

[tazzie]

Hi.....

1901 is this them....RG 13/5218 F124 P 17....

Roberts year of birth given as 1884 however. Youngest children could answer the puzzle.
Caradoc Evans born 1891 Denbighshire. 2 births possible both Wrexham 1892 mmn Jones
                                                                                                          1893 mmn Parry.
Did father Robert remarry...? Both wives Mary.....? Is Robert a step brother......?

Ok maybe more questions than answers.

Tazzie