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Re: No birth record
« Reply #36 on: Thursday 14 March 19 12:21 GMT (UK) »
EVANS, ROBERT
Mother's maiden surname:  THOMAS     
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 401

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« Reply #37 on: Thursday 14 March 19 14:21 GMT (UK) »
That one seems to correspond to mn of Margaret, Debra.
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« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 20 March 19 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Have received a birth Cert Robert Evans b 6th December 1875 father Robert Evans a farm laborer mother Margaret Evans nee Thomas. Born at Penymyndd Cymwyd Gwyddelwern Meredith Denbigh.
From research I believe that the above parents of Robert Evans are
Robert Evans b 1855 Llanuwchileyn Meredith and Margaret Thomas b1853 Corwen Denbigh.
Children Elizabeth A b 1873 Cynwyd, Robert b 1875 Cynwyd, Jane b 1878 Cynwyd (alive 1919), Joseph Arthur b 1882 Hetty Llangar, Catherine b 1884 Merionethshire, Humphrey b 1886 Merionethhsire, Mary Ellen b 1888 Corwen, Ada ? b 1894 Brymbo.
Robert Evans senior b 1855 was alive in 1919.
From my research I have found that the Evans families run parallel to each other.
 Parents of Robert Evans b 1855 I believe are
John Evans b 1826 Corwen and Jane Jones? b 1827 Corwen.
Children Mary Evans b 1854 Corwen, Robert Evans b 1855 Corwen, Elizabeth Evans b 1859 Corwen Margaret b 1861 Corwen, Jane b 1864 Corwen.
More research to be done.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner, Brown,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,Shipton,Hockey.....England and Australia
Coleman, Richards, Hughes, Lloyd, Chambers. Wales and England.
 Evans, Thomas, Humphreys, Williams, Jones, LLoyd. Wales
Parsey, Price, Taylor, Protheroe, Jenkins. Kerford.
....Wales and England.

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 30 March 19 23:01 GMT (UK) »
I have several photos that I believe are the Evans family.
Can the photos be downloaded and posted on Rootschat.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner, Brown,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,Shipton,Hockey.....England and Australia
Coleman, Richards, Hughes, Lloyd, Chambers. Wales and England.
 Evans, Thomas, Humphreys, Williams, Jones, LLoyd. Wales
Parsey, Price, Taylor, Protheroe, Jenkins. Kerford.
....Wales and England.


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« Reply #40 on: Saturday 30 March 19 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Yes.  They have to be under 500kb and a unique file name to Rootschat - eg. add your user name and date to the file name.


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Re: No birth record
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 02 April 19 04:54 BST (UK) »
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner, Brown,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,Shipton,Hockey.....England and Australia
Coleman, Richards, Hughes, Lloyd, Chambers. Wales and England.
 Evans, Thomas, Humphreys, Williams, Jones, LLoyd. Wales
Parsey, Price, Taylor, Protheroe, Jenkins. Kerford.
....Wales and England.

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 02 April 19 06:47 BST (UK) »

sorry for all the blank posts. Trying to send photos.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner, Brown,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,Shipton,Hockey.....England and Australia
Coleman, Richards, Hughes, Lloyd, Chambers. Wales and England.
 Evans, Thomas, Humphreys, Williams, Jones, LLoyd. Wales
Parsey, Price, Taylor, Protheroe, Jenkins. Kerford.
....Wales and England.

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 02 April 19 11:41 BST (UK) »
I am searching the family of Robert William Evans bc 1875 North Wales died 1913 Senghenyyd Mine Disaster Wales.

I am puzzled as to why no further census records and NO birth of a Robert William Evans bc 1875,
Are there census and birth records missing from the collections.
Hoping someone may be able to help.

Hello

This mine was also known as the Universal Colliery.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10718583
Universal Colliery, Glamorgan. Photograph depicting: "A mother waits for news" - Senghenydd disaster. 1913

The 1913 disaster was the second at the Universal Colliery Company
At the time of the 1891 census, Senghenydd did not exist as a village ...
Click on the map and you will get a small size map
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/census/pandp/places/seng.htm

There is a printed HMSO Report into this terrible disaster in 1913 (only part of the Report)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Senghenydd-Explosion-Report-opt.pdf

The National Archives (under HO for Home Office or COAL for Coal mining) and/or Regional Archives (Glamorgan Archives, also The National Library of Wales), and/or the Coal Authority Archives, Berry Hill, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire (Coal Archives at Mansfield some years ago).
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_ep=Universal&_cr=HO%7CCOAL&_dss=range&_sd=1913&_ed=1920&_ro=any&_st=adv

The photographs are listed, but no file.

If anyone is visiting TNA, at Kew, they will need a Passport or Photo Driving Licence and also must prove their address they live at, for a Readers Ticket. See TNA "Visit Us" page first before going.

The Commissioner's Inquiry was at Cardiff, Wales, and headed by H.M. Chief Inspector of Mines (Commissioner) R. A. S. Redmayne, C. B., and Evan Williams, Chairman of the South Wales and Monmouthshire Coalowners' Association.

There was also an Inquest.

1911

As the Mine was also called the Universal Mine, some of the Miners lived at Universal Huts or Universal Villas, Senghenydd, Nr Cardiff. These Universal Huts and Villas are listed and searchable (on f m p) not under Senghenydd, but under Eglwysilan, Pontypridd.

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 02 April 19 22:38 BST (UK) »
Hello

Despite over 100 years passing since the disaster the full HMSO Command Paper in the above link is being withheld from the general Public and the above link to the Report online does not include the Appendices.
 

The first few of the Names, Addresses, Ages and Occupations are clearly visible online, including an Underground Plan, but as the Plan contains casualty location information and a Colour Key as to how they died I won't attach it.


Durham Mining Museum who it seems has a Full Report, says this ...
http://www.dmm.org.uk/uknames/u1913-01.htm
Evans, Robert William, aged 38, address: 26 Stanley Street, Senghenydd (unchecked)

Mining Institute
https://mininginstitute.org.uk/links/links_history/
Link goes to other links including the archived website of CMHRC ...


CMHRC - Coal Mining Historical Resource Centre (provided by Rayleys Solicitors) Now an Archived website for researchers.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160304121259/http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/home/index.html


Robert W. Evans who left a wife and four children
https://web.archive.org/web/20160316134124/http://cmhrc.co.uk/cms/document/1911_13.pdf


1911 Census
24 Stanley Street, Senghenydd, William Jones, Head, 56, born Mastegg.
26 Stanley Street, Senghenydd, CENSUS Schedule (Missing in sequence on f m p and Ancestry)
28 Stanley Street, Senghenydd, Gomer Morgan, Head, 43, born Glam. Swansea.

24 Stanley Street, Senghenydd, William Ben Jones, Head, 33, Married, Miner Hewer, born Glamorgan, Mountain Ash, Both Langauges. William Benjeman Jones, No. 24 Stanley Street, Senghenydd, Near Carephilly [sic].


There was also some addresses called Stanley Street Cellars, Senghenydd (other times just a number followed by, Cellars, Senghenydd), but adjacent addresses say Stanley Street.

26 Cellars, Senghenydd, Hannah Morgan, Head, 42, Widow, House Keeper, Employer, Born Glamorgan, Merthyr.

Oh dear - not very helpful. I can't find either end of the street yet (it is in sequence, then all over the place in places) to locate any general description, which might deal with missed or empty addresses. I notice some 1911 Census Schedules are saying how many Rooms each Head has, suggesting some parts of houses were sub-let?

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Added: You could email a nice email to our Parliamentary Archives and mention your kin and date of death and ask what information for family history purposes they could confirm from the full report Cd. 7346 and any associated documents. I have always found them most helpful, for Acts of Parliament etc. I always put my address and if the section required was one photocopy sheet, they occasionally posted it with a compliments slip.

Report on the Circumstances attending an Explosion which occurred at the Senghenydd Colliery, Glamorganshire on 14th October 1913 [1914 Cd.7346]

See here for their email address ...
https://archives.parliament.uk/

Mark