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Re: No birth record
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 23 February 19 06:27 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Dundee for the census. I am scratching my head.

The 1911 census gives my Robert W Evans bc 1875 North Wales married and living with his wife Emma and children Elsie, Katie and James at Senghenyyd and is a Coal Miner.
Joseph Arthur Evans b 1879 was married in 1910 was a cloth salesman and may have been with his wife Elizabeth Annie bc 1886. Elizabeth Annie Jones was living at Swinton at time of marriage.
Joseph Arthur Evans died in 1919 from Asthma. There was no inquiry.

I have a 1901 census for Joseph A Evans b Carwen (Corwen) Denbighshire who was a boarder  living with John Pollitt at Eccles Lancashire England and was a Drapers Assistant.
Looking at the 1911, 1901 and 1891 census it ticks all my boxes.
Is it possible that the parents Robert and Mary Evans listed all the children in each census.
Another question is why.
It does look like there may have been more then one marriage.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 23 February 19 08:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi.....


The family I was looking at as Dundee agrees with can not be yours as both Robert & Joseph are both at home in 1911 with mum......dad living in another house by himself. Also no Jane.
Do you have Robert's marriage cert as well as Joseph's ......are details for father the same?

Tazzie
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Re: No birth record
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 23 February 19 10:32 GMT (UK) »
Yes I have both marriage certificates.
Robert William Evans looks like 25 years married Emma Hughes September 1907. He was a bachelor, Coal Miner and living at James Street Llanbradach. His father is noted as Robert Evans a Farmer. (NOT deceased). The marriage was at Register Office District of Pontypridd County of Glamorgan. Witnesses are George Williams and Richard J Ford.
A child Katie Margaret Evans was born 1905 Llanbradach.
Interesting that R W Evans name was entered as William Robert Evans.
The 1911 census for Fobert William Evans says that he could speak English and Welsh.

 Joseph Arthur Evans age 28 married Eliza Annie Jones in September 1910 at Welsh Calvinistic Methosidst Chapel Broad Street Pendleton. Joseph was a Bachelor and a Cloth Salesman. His father is noted as Robert Evans a Coal Miner (NOT deceased). The witnesses were E Roberts and Mary J Jones.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 23 February 19 11:30 GMT (UK) »
From one of your previous posts:


Joseph Arthur Evans
died 28th February 1919 Worsley Queen Victoria Road U...
 age 38 years
General Traveller
Present at death Jane Evans (sister) Old Gate Bwlchgwyn Near Wrexham


Jane EVANS living with her parents Robert and Margaret in 1911 at Bwlchgwyn, Jane is born Corwen:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V8-VNQ

This looks like the same family in 1891 also with a Joseph A. born c1882.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TKG-W2M

1881 with a Robert born c1875:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WS-DXV9

I think Margaret's maiden surname was THOMAS.

Debra  :)

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 23 February 19 11:57 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Debra for all your posts especially the lastest ones which give a clear indication that it more then likely is the family of Robert William Evans b 1875. A lot of the details are correct. (Jane her place of abode, the place of death of Joseph A Evans was his home town. The 1881 census for Robert Evans which gives his year of birth as 1875 and the fathers name as Robert Evans)
I cant thank you Tazzie and Gadget for all your help. It seems that the research took one step forward then two step backwards before a result was found.
With the help of Rootschat and records I have been able to find the present day family of Robert William Evans b 1913 and the family of Robert William Evans b 1875 who died in the Senghenyyd Mine Disaster of 1913.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 23 February 19 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Those census links that Debra has linked to are familiar from long ago!  Was there not a thread about Jane Evans then.  I see that I linked you to the Corwen Workhouse on one of the threads and I do recall finding a baptism/birth cert  for a son of Jane's but the threads are all spread out over the years  so  I can't locate them all.

Think it might be circles, Kay, and this has already been found  :)

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Re: No birth record
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 23 February 19 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Re my previous post - here it is:

I've found a possible baptism for John Evans

8 Feb 1864, Corwen
John Evans,  BB( base born), Mother Jane Evans, Workhouse




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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 24 February 19 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Gadget, From my notes
John Evans b 1862 Corwen Workhouse married Catherine Jones b 1865 in 1886,
Family of John and Catherine Evans
 John Edward Evans b 1887
Elizabeth J Evans b 1891
Gwladys Evans b 1894.
Idris Evans b 1900.
The John Edward Evans b 1887 (above waiting on marriage cert) is the John Edward Evans who married the widow of Elizabeth Annie Evans nee Jones in 1925.


Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 24 February 19 04:07 GMT (UK) »
The following details are from a birth certificate I have for
Joseph Arthur Evans  b third February 1879
at 4 Queen Street Cefn Mawr Ruabon,
Father Robert Evans Coal Miner
Mother Mary Riley.
Feel this may be not be the birth I am looking for.
Joseph Arthur Evans age in 1910 is 28 years (Marriage cert) making a birth year 1882.
His age on 8th February 1919 is 38 years making a birth year of 1881.
Joseph Arthur Evans died at Worsley Queen Victoria Road USD?
His sister Jane Evans was living at Old Gate. Bwlchgwyn Near Wrexham.
Maybe there is another birth for a Joseph Arthur Evans.

Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales