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Help reading this Irish baptismal record please.
« on: Saturday 23 February 19 10:59 GMT (UK) »
This is the baptismal record of Michael Kelly baptised on 6th June 1841. Parents John Kelly and Joanna Carey. I think it then gives his godparents as Thomas Mitchell and Ellen Carey. I cannot make out the next part although it may say he is illegitimate since his parents marry on 17th June 1841!
Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: Help reading this Irish baptismal record please.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 February 19 11:32 GMT (UK) »
I think it is "ex copula illicite" which would convey the meaning you suggest
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 February 19 15:16 GMT (UK) »
thanks for that. I wonder if it was a "shotgun" marriage or not ;D

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Re: Help reading this Irish baptismal record please.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 February 19 20:21 GMT (UK) »
'Of' or from unlawful/illicit copulation/sexual relations. Meaning the child is the product of this. 

Makes a little Latin 'smokescreen' and different from a reading on one of my ancestor's certificates 'this child is a bastard' in English on a (COI) christening.



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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 February 19 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again. So yet another bastard in the family ::)

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 February 19 03:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again. So yet another bastard in the family ::)

Happens everywhere! Makes genealogy interesting! ;)

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Re: Help reading this Irish baptismal record please.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 February 19 13:30 GMT (UK) »
That and the super-short pregnancies.  ;D
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