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Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 12:49 GMT (UK) »
My Grandfather, John Brown b.15.12.1898 in Airdrie, d. 07.04.1985 Coatbridge) always said his Clan's tartan was Lamont.

From what I can find out the Brown Clan helped the Lamont Clan when their Seat, Toward Castle, was beseiged by the Campbells in 1646.

In that kind of circumstance, would one clan give up his own tartan for that of another eg if the Lamonts were seen as more superior as a Clan than the Browns? Or is there another reason which might explain it?

Any knowledge gratefully received!
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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 February 19 13:04 GMT (UK) »
There are plenty of sites on the internet that might help; here's one:

https://www.historyscotland.com/articles/scottish-clans/what-tartan-can-i-wear
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 February 19 13:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, I have been through sites and they don't answer my question.


Any one come across something similar?

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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Do you know if Brown is a Sept of Lamont ,or any other Cllan?
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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:18 GMT (UK) »
My grandfather, surname Black, born in Hawick always said that the name Black was part of the Lamont clan.
Google brings up several sites , one of which says ( as suggested by Viktoria ) that it is a Sept of the Lamont Clan as is Brown.

I have read somewhere that it originated in Lincolnshire, my birth county, but then travelled northwards.

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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:20 GMT (UK) »
I hadnt heard of Septs so thanks Viktoria! Browns are indeed Septs of the Lamont Clan so that explains it!

Thanks again for your help

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Billy  :D

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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:27 GMT (UK) »
You`re welcome!

Your query then reminded me that I was going to look further into it some time back !

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Re: Which Clan/Tartan should apply?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 February 19 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Common Scottish name "Wan Broon is enough in a toon! twa Broon's in a parish" ;D
 
 Black in his "Surnames of Scotland!"  gives more than one origin apparently & the same derivation as Le Brun in France. Broun of Colstoun claim descent from the French kings & has three fleur de lys on their arms, also an offshoot in Denmark.
Tiree Brown's, are the Brunaich locally & of fairly recent Lowland origin.
 A Brown poetess, Diorbhorgail Nic a' Bhriuthainn, (don't ask!) was a satirist of the Argyll Campbell's so there may be some truth on the massacred Lamont's story.

A plain broon kilt would be nice, the Irish wear them?

Skoosh.