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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked for a death certificate for John Ransley?

Does John Ransley have an occupation on Alfred's certificate?

Do you have his marriage record ......................... No.. My grandfather married in South Africa 
Do you have a baptism and know the nationality of his parents?     ........      Nationality of his father was British born in Kent, this was recorded on his death certificate                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Does this mean a marriage certificate for Alfred  is not available at all? I do not know the extent of SA records.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your quick response.                                                                                                                                               
 I have not looked for Alfred John Ransley marriage certificate .  Do you suggest I search for it?  They were married in SA
As far as my Great Grand Father  John Ransley  I do have the death certificate which states that he was born 1844 in Kent

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:02 GMT (UK) »
OH that helps with John Ransley - older than I thought!!

Yes do get the marriage certificate if you can - John's occupation will be helpful to find any voyage he was on & it may even be that Alfred's mother is named, helping to find them on ship's lists. 
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:08 GMT (UK) »
OK there's a John Ransley aged 8 in Lewisham, Kent in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1591; Folio: 292; Page: 17
John Ransley   62 umbrella maker
Mary Ann Ransley   32
Mary Ann Ransley   9
John Ransley   8
Emily Ransley   5
Amelia Ransley   4
Thomas Ransley   6 Mo
But I struggle to find him in later censuses; this may be his death though
Deaths Mar 1880 
Ransley    John    37    Maidstone    2a   460
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:20 GMT (UK) »
There's a John Ransley 22 sailor b Cherriton Kent in 1861 but a bit old
John Ransley RG 9; Piece: 4439; Folio: 260; Page: 3
Age:   22 [ ca 1839]
Relation:   Ord 2d Class (Ordinary Seaman)
Male
Where born:   Cherriton, Kent, England
Vessles, Port Royal Jamaica
County/Island:   Royal Navy
Vessel:   Cadmus
Piece:   4439
Folio:   260
Page Number:   3

BUT he was a seaman....
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:39 GMT (UK) »
It would appear from the grave that  John Ransley mother was Ellen Ransley  (nee Burt) ??  who came over with him on the ship in 1880.  Alfred John was born on the ship in January  1880 .    A Grace Ransley signed the death certificate  as spouse of John Ransley in South Africa, however I am not sure if they were married in the UK   before departing to South Africa or if they were married in SA

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:55 GMT (UK) »
Was Alfred John their first son?
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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 17:56 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, just to say it would have been helpful to know that when we asked what you did know, even though it wasn't about Alfred. I still feel the birthdate needs to be taken as plus or minus until confirmed. 
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Looking for advice tracing my grandfather, Alfred John Ransley, born at sea
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 13 March 19 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your response.

According to the death certificate he was the only child.
Josey,  Sorry I only remembered about that additional information  now !