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John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Thursday 28 February 19 22:58 GMT (UK) »
Obviously I've drawn the short straw with these names, but it's worth a try.

Mary is believed to have been born Mary Taylor/Tayler (another source suggests Dial/Dyal) in Dublin, Ireland, in 1823, and had children (including my gg grandmother, Catherine, in 1851) in Tasmania with John Smith, before moving to New Zealand and possibly having more children. They settled in Bannockburn, where Mary remarried in 1870 (to Samuel Champion). The marriage certificate states she was a widow. Mary died in 1898 as Mary Champion in Invercargill. No probate for either Samuel or Mary. Samuel and Mary owned a pub after they married, and Mary was convicted of being a sly grog seller several months before they married.

I've not found much on John Smith at all. There's a rumour that he died in 1866 shortly after the family arrived in Bannockburn. They may have lived in Tinkers (Matakanui) and Cardrona before moving to Bannockburn. However, I've not found evidence of this as yet.

Any leads/suggestions/ideas for finding out more about this line? I've ordered Mary's death certificate (printout), but have to wait till it arrives. No idea which death certificate is John's as there are at least 8 possible contenders

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 March 19 13:27 GMT (UK) »
OTAGO DAILY TIMES, ISSUE 250, 8 OCTOBER 1862
John Smith barber of Waikouti remanded for forging a cheque

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 March 19 22:49 GMT (UK) »

You are researching the origins of gg grandmother Catherine SMITH?  And Catherine married in NZ?

Can you list all the information on her marriage certificate please.

Can you list all the information on the death record, 1898, for Mary, mother of Catherine.

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 March 19 23:08 GMT (UK) »
Both Catherineís marriages were before 1880, so lack the info Iím after (which is why I havenít purchased them). As I said in my original post, I am still waiting for Maryís death certificate to arrive

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 March 19 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Maryís second marriage certificate can be found here
http://oldbannockburn.nz/ImagePage?image_id=2350&page_number=1

Witnesses are her daughter Catherine and Catherineís first husband. (Though technically Catherine and Alfred didnít actually marry till a couple of years later)

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 March 19 00:40 GMT (UK) »
OTAGO DAILY TIMES, ISSUE 250, 8 OCTOBER 1862
John Smith barber of Waikouti remanded for forging a cheque

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Mmm...Waikouaiti is a long way from Bannockburn - 208km by road, now.
Farrell  - Ayrshire
Cairns - Ayrshire
McCann - Ayrshire
Brown - Ayrshire
Petty - Yorkshire, Durham
Lucas - Staffordshire, Durham
Whitaker - Yorkshire
Thackrah - Yorkshire
Stephenson - Durham
Marshall - Yorkshire
Walker - Staffordshire, Southland New Zealand
McCullough -  Antrim, Southland New Zealand,
Cavanagh - Galway, Southland New Zealand
Anthony - Tipperary, Southland New Zealand
Bath - Cornwall, Tasmania, Southland
Brungot - Alesund, Norway; Southland
Bonthron - Fifeshire, Southland

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 March 19 01:17 GMT (UK) »
How have you established Mary's birthdate? Is it by age at death? Who was the informant in the death certificate?

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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 March 19 01:20 GMT (UK) »
The marriage record, 1870, CHAMPION - SMITH, shows that Mary is not literate,
witnesses are Alfred PERRY and Catherine PERRY (x)

NZ BDM marriage
1871/6285   Catherine   SMITH  marr.   Alfred  PERRY

1879/2554   Catherine   PERRY  marr.   William DICKEY

Do you have this marriage record, 1879?

NZ BDM death
1930/2121   DICKEY   Catherine   78Y

Burial Bromley Cemetery
died 25 May 1930 bur. 27 May 1930
DICKEY Catherine   78 yrs,   widow, years in NZ 74 (no other burial in the plot)

Cromwell Argus 17 May 1881
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CROMARG18810517.2.10?
...Mary CHAMPION against Samuel CHAMPION........support of self and one child.....

What children do you have for Mary and Samuel CHAMPION?


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Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 March 19 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Waiting on my copy of the death certificate, but another researcher who has proven trustworthy has noted the informant was the undertaker. Suspect the birth year was calculated from there as well