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John, George Howard
« on: Saturday 02 March 19 02:43 GMT (UK) »
Looking for further info on John, George Howard according to his headstone he was born 24 Sept 1861 and died in 1939. He died in Brighton Victoria and no parents were named on the death cert, so I obtain his marriage which gives me the following info: John George Howard was aged 24  his new wife Elizabeth Annie Davies was 19 yrs old, he was a labourer and she a servant they were married at St John's Kerang, her father is named as George Davies (Bricklayer) mother Mary Ann Rowe, where his father was named as John George Howard (Lawyer) mother Maria Rankin.
The witness were Simon Long and Hettie Gorman the wedding took place on 16 April 1884.
I'm trying to find out where they came from and about their family background.
Any further help or suggestions would be great.
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 March 19 03:06 GMT (UK) »
Marriage certificate should show place of birth for both parties.
Were either parents married in Victoria?
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 02 March 19 03:49 GMT (UK) »
There is an on-line family tree for this man.  As we all know on-line trees are not to be relied on but are sometimes correct and at least give a starting point.

The Australian birth index has this entry, which has some similarities to your man but the birthdate and mother's name are not exactly as you have given

1859, #4742
John George HOWARD
Birth Place: Myers Flat,
Parents: Jno Howard, Martha Cohune

There is a death which may be his mother and which gives her a second forename of Maria - perhaps this is how she was known??

Victoria 1862 #7312
Martha Maria HOWARD, 46 (Birth Year abt 1816)
Father's Name: Cohoone Robert
Mother's Name: Martha U

Can you transcribe the gravestone information plaese?

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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 March 19 03:50 GMT (UK) »
Article on the inquest into the death of Martha Maria, wife of John George Howard.
1862 'CORONER'S INQUEST.', Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918), 12 September, p. 2. , viewed 02 Mar 2019, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article87902385

Inquest file can be viewed here, says that John George Howard is a lawyer, his deceased wife was 40yo, a native of Glasgow, she had been about ten years in Victoria, they had 3 boys and 3 girls.
http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/component/daPublicBaseContainer?component=daViewItem&entityId=0129625388

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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 March 19 04:00 GMT (UK) »
Marriage
HOWARD John George    Born Sandhurst
DAVIS Elizabeth Annie   Born Ballarat
1884  Reg#1855




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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 02 March 19 04:10 GMT (UK) »
These are the only births I can find with a father John and mother Martha Maria.

HOWARD Robert
Father John   Mother Martha COHENE
At Sandhurst  1855  Reg#8741

HOWARD Esther
Father John George  Mother Martha COHONE
at Eaglehawk    1857 Reg#12288

HOWARD John George
Father John  Mother Martha COHUNE
At Myers Flat   1859  Reg#4742
 
HOWARD Maria
Father John    Mother Martha Maria COHOONE
At  Myers Flat  1861  Reg#4793

HOWARD Martha Maria
Father John George  Mother Martha M COHOONE
At ?Sail  1862  Reg#16543
 
Death
HOWARD Martha Maria
Father Cohoone Robert  Mother Martha Unknown
1862 40 years  Born Glasgow  Reg#7312





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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 02 March 19 04:31 GMT (UK) »
HOWARD, John George
Born: 1818-1821 circa
Married:1852 Launceston VDL
Spouse: Cohane, Martha Maria
Spouse born: 1822 circa
Source Eaglehawk & district pioneer register.
Author/compiler: O'Donohue, Annette and Hanson, Bev.
p./no. 522
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 March 19 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all gives me more to go on... here is the grave plaque not much on it, ITS NEW...
MEMORY OF
ELIZABETH HOWARD
2.7.1862 - 2.7. 1935
GEORGE JOHN HOWARD
24.10.1861-24.8.1939 original is available online
Although he is buried as George birth and marriage give his name as John George Howard.

Forgot to add John GEORGE was born at Sandhurst NSW.
I don't see his mothers name as  COHONE it appears on marriage cert as Rankin....
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Re: John, George Howard
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 March 19 10:32 GMT (UK) »
HOWARD, John George
Born: 1818-1821 circa
Married:1852 Launceston VDL
Spouse: Cohane, Martha Maria
Spouse born: 1822 circa
Source Eaglehawk & district pioneer register.
Author/compiler: O'Donohue, Annette and Hanson, Bev.
p./no. 522
I see now this is most likely his father
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