My great gran can't be traced.

[chempat]

Dundee,

'I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses.  Do you have a reference?

Debra  '

Sorry, I was convinced I did have, (not for every year), now, cannot place.

[arwela]

I found I had to make written notes to keep track as easy to get muddled.
My ancestry.co.uk account has run out so can't point you to anything really.

[arwela]

there is one aged 17 in 1861 census for Carmarthenshire

[osprey]

let me work through to see if this helps

marriage 16 Aug 1842 in Llanegwad parish church for
Thomas Anthony, full age, farmer's servant, Tycoch, father Evan, labourer and
Margaret Ambrose, full age, seamstress, Pantyblodau, father David, carpenter


baptism 31 jan 1848 in Llanegwad for Elizabeth daughter of Thomas, labourer, & Margaret Anthony of Tirberllan


1851 census Tyrberllan HO107/2471 folio 177 pg 4
Thomas Anthony head mar 31 labourer
Margaret wife 31
Anne dau 8
Eliza dau 3
David son 2 monthall born Llanegwad

1861 census New House RG9/4129 folio 86 pg 5
Thomas Anthony head mar 41
Margaret wife 39
Liza dau 11
John son 7
David son 5
Jane dau 12 months
all born Llanegwad. The David from the 1851 census was buried 1 Nov 1854 aged 4

1871 Tynewyd RG10/5485 folio 53 pg 15 (this is New House, name a version of new House in Welsh)
Thomas Anthony head mar 50
Margaret wife 49 milliner
Isaac son 6

1881 Tynewyd RG11/5389 folio 97 pg 1
Thomas head mar 64 ag lab
Margaret wife 64 dressmaker b. Llanfynydd
Elizabeth dau 34 general servant
John son 27 tailor
Thomas Evans grandson 7
Ann Ambrose sister-in-law 66 hosier b. Llanfynydd
others born Llanegwad

Who is the Thomas Evans grandson? Is he not the Thomas baptised 18 Jan 1876 in Llanegwad, son of Elizabeth Anthony, Tynewydd, single woman? He's certainly not the son of sister Anne as she died in 1865, buried aged 22 30 March 1865.

birth reg Tom Anthony sept qtr 1874 Llandilofawr vol 11a pg 821 no maiden name given


1891 census Tynewydd RG1/4510 folio 82 pg 5
Elizabeth Anthony head unm 37 washing woman
Jacob son 9


1891 Thomas Anthony 17 is a farm servant at Glansannan, Llanfynydd RG12/4509 folio 23 pg 2

1901 Tom Anthony 26 coal worker above ground b. Llanegwad in Llandebie RG13/5108 folio 34 pg 9

1911 shows Elizabeth as widow but a little fib
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7N1-DH9

There is another Elizabeth Anthony in Llanegwad, wife of John, but they do not have a son called Thomas. So the one in 1911 with son Thomas is your Elizabeth.

[arwela]

You seem to be an expert at this ancestry search. Are you saying Jacob had a brother Thomas from a different father?

[osprey]

Elizabeth had another child. His birth registered as Tom Anthony, baptised as Thomas. Baptisms in Llanegwad can be accessed via FindMypast. His father must have been an Evans, hence the surname on the 1881 census. Jacob may have had the same father. I wouldn't put too much faith in what it says on his marriage cert, that may have been an invention.

[osprey]

Jane, younger sister of Elizabeth, married Aaron Walters, a widower, march qtr 1895 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1113. 1901 census ref RG13/5088 folio 30 pg 7.

Birth reg for son Anthony Walters march qtr 1896 Llanelly vol 11a pg 1032 mmn Anthony

death reg for Jane Walters 45 dec qtr 1905 Llanelly vol 11a pg 572

[arwela]

I think you're right about Thomas Evans.
This is what I think.
He was born in Tynewydd under head of the house Thomas Anthony who knew the father was an Evans. In the next census, Thomas had, died aged 75 in 1889, Elizabeth changed it to Anthony. Thomas and Jacob didn't appear to live together. This is why Jacob was alone in the 1911 census, Elizabeth had gone to live with Thomas as we have heard that Jacob had a bad temper! All this seems to fit in. All we need now is to find her grave which is why we have been on this ancestry quest in the first place.
Thanks for your help, much appreciated. If you do come up with anything about Elizabeth drop us a line.

[osprey]

the census is just a snapshot so Elizabeth may just have been visiting her son, there was a young grandchild in the household.

Jacob in the police court - bottom of page under 'The Drink'
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3644146/3644147/5/

and winning a prize in a hedging competition
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3678154/3678162/113/