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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 March 19 08:42 GMT (UK) »
Whoops...missed that comment...but how do we know for sure that it is a different Elizabeth?

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 03 March 19 08:52 GMT (UK) »
both of them exist in previous censuses.

One is single, the other is married.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 03 March 19 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?

Living at Llanegwad,  Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82  Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony   37  Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony   9
Yes, this is them.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 March 19 09:07 GMT (UK) »
Is this them in 1891, as she is claiming a lot younger than her actual age?

Living at Llanegwad,  Cefn Hernin, Carmarthenshire
Piece: 4510 Folio: 82  Page Number: 5
Elizabeth Anthony   37  Llanegwad, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Jacob Anthony   9
Yes, this is them. Elizabeth was an unmarried mother. She is definitely the one all the way from the 1851 census.
I went to the local council office records and when looked for her there were 6 possibilities. My choice until then was the 1928 death. I emailed Carmarthenshire archives and they could not pinpoint which of the 6 was her. I may have to buy the 28 death certificate to see what it shows. But I could end up buying all of them and still unsure which one if any is hers. Her age jumps around with every census but I read on ancestry that people rounded thei age off which was odd.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 March 19 09:39 GMT (UK) »
We've had instances in the past of people appearing twice on a census- once at their home address and once at the address they were actually at on census night. It is possible that if she wasn't at home on census night she was correctly missed from her home address but not added to the address she was actually at.

Alternatively, some women deliberately did not include their details on the 1911 census in protest although if that had been the case it would have made more sense to ensure the enumerator knew she was refusing rather than simply to mention nothing.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 March 19 10:13 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 she is with her parents - birthyear 1847

1901 - it's 1851

Deaths June qtr 1925   
Anthony    Elizabeth    80    Llandilofawr    11a   1243    

Deaths Sep 1928   
Anthony    Elizabeth    80    Llandilofawr    11a   974   

Difficult to understand exactly what you mean about the 1911 - did you actually find her listed?

The 1911 has another Elizabeth Anthony aged 67 b Llanegwad.  I suspect the 1928 death is your Elizabeth

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Elizabeth cannot be found in the 1911 census using her name. She can only be found using her son Jacob's name. You'll see Jacob in the census alone and Elizabeth's name written on the front page by the numerator. Looks like she wasn't there.

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 03 March 19 10:44 GMT (UK) »
My great grandfather appears twice on a census. One entry at his home address on the Wirral, head of household with wife and family. The second census entry records him staying at Hawkstone Park Hotel in Shropshire. This was not somewhere he could have afforded. Looking at the list of guests, his employer was staying there. He was their coachman. So either he or his wife filled in the form in advance. It happens. Particularly were one, or both parties might find reading and/or writing a problem.
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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 03 March 19 11:09 GMT (UK) »
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow)  with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad

both of them exist in previous censuses.

I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses.  Do you have a reference?

Debra  :)

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Re: My great gran can't be traced.
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 03 March 19 11:16 GMT (UK) »
In 1911, there is an Elizabeth Anthony(widow)  with her son Thomas Anthony, born 1875 Llanegwad

both of them exist in previous censuses.

I cannot see this Elizabeth and Thomas in previous censuses.  Do you have a reference?

Debra  :)
Elizabeth Anthony and her parents Thomas and Margaret can be found in the 1851 census and her later in the 61/71/81/91/01 censuses at Llanegwad Carmarthenshire. Her homes were Tyrberllan (birth home), New house then Tynewydd. She was also found working on a farm.