Maid Stone - Thank you for your reply and trying to help me with this very confusing leg. I will share with you what I can prove about my Rice family in Newton Solney, Bretby and Repton, so you know where I am at with my research in relation to all these documents.
My 3x great grandfather was Charles Rice, baptised 24th January 1841 in Newton Solney to parents William and Mary. Charles married Mary Tomlinson 1866 in Rugeley. Charles' abode was Newton Solney and his father is listed as William Rice, a farm bailiff.
William Rice married Mary Dicken 14/05/1825 in St Werburgh, Derby. They were both of that parish and he was a labourer.
I found that Bastardy order summary in 1824 in Newton Solney online. I believe the baby in relation to this document was Nathaniel Dicken baptised 28/03/1824 in Newton Solney to Mary Dicken. This Nathaniel would go by the surname Rice in the censuses and lived next door to his parents. On his marriage certificate Nathaniel Dicken names William Rice as his Father. From this bastardy order there is a Thomas Rice of Repton who is the surety. I need to obtain a copy of this record.
In the 1851 Newton Solney census, William Rice gives his birth year as 1804 and place of birth is Bretby. He was baptised 12th October 1804 in Bretby to parents Thomas and Mary Rice. This is how far I have been able to prove my research. Beyond this and how my Rice family connect with the other documents is what I'm trying to understand.
I believe the marriage in Burton upon Trent in 1800 of Thomas Rice and Mary Abbott is my ancestors' marriage. Mary Abbot was a widow.
I am trying to work out whether two Thomas Rices married two Mary Abbotts or whether it was one Thomas Rice who married two Mary Abbotts.
John Abbott died in 1799 and in his will he mentions wife Mary and the four children baptised in the 1790s (including Mary Abbott born 1795)
William had a brother Thomas Rice baptised 1806 in Bretby to Thomas and Mary. With regards to the Thomas Rice who was hired to Joseph Orme in 1825, he was aged 19. That would tie in with the 1806 baptism. I haven't seen the original documents (must get them) that I found on Rootsweb, only the summaries. The summary for the hiring record states he was of Newton Solney and born in Bradby. As his brother William was residing in Newton Solney in 1824 he could have been staying with him?
Mary Orme who married John Abbott in 1792. Their marriage licence names her brother Joseph Orme and father Isaac Orme giving their consent. She was aged 18. I know these two men lived in Bretby/Bradby. Isaac Orme in his 1798 will of Bretby mentions his wife Elizabeth, son Joseph Orme and daughter Mary the wife of John Abbott. I believe Mary Orme was baptised 1773 in Duffield to Isaac and Elizabeth. This baptism ties in with her being 18 at the time of marriage. Isaac and Elizabeth had a son Joseph Orme baptised in Duffield in 1765.
Based on the above evidence, I believe the Joseph Orme of Bretby who hired Thomas Rice in 1825 was Mary Orme's brother. With regards to the Mary Rice who hired her son to Joseph Orme I don't know whether it his mother Mary Orme/Abbott/Rice or the Mary Abbott/Rice (stepmother?) born in 1795. I don't know whether Thomas Rice was still alive when Mary Rice stated she had hired her son. The only burial I can find for a Thomas Rice in these parishes is 1843 in Repton.
The fact I can only find one burial makes me suspect Thomas Rice of Repton married two Mary Abbotts.
Kind regards,
ALewis
