Author Topic: John James Harries  (Read 303 times)

Offline tobyboy

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 5
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
John James Harries
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:09 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for a death record for John James Harries, born about 1871 at Freystrop. Married Letticha Thomas (1867-1930) in 1894 and the couple lived at Nash Wood - she is my 3rd great aunt. Couple had four children but one (also possibly called John James Harries) died at a young age (1902?). In 1901 John James Harries is working at a brickworks (Johnston?) but cannot find him in the 1911 Census when Letticha says she is the wife of a farmer and is listed along with three children. In 1916, Letticha says she is a "widow." So what has happened to her husband - when/where did he die. Any help much appreciated.

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootchat.

Just getting the basics down on JJ Harries:

Birth registration: John James Harries, motherís maiden name Thomas, Dec qtr 1871 Haverfordwest.

Married to Lettitia Thomas, Sep qtr 1894 Haverfordwest.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Children:

William Ashley Benson Harries, motherís maiden name Thomas, Jun qtr 1895 Haverfordwest
Luther Evelyn Harold Harries, 12 June 1896 (canít easily see a birth reg)
Arthur George Harries, motherís maiden name Thomas, Mar qtr 1900 Haverfordwest

Plus one.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:31 GMT (UK) »
I donít think the John James Harries who died aged 0, Sep qtr 1902 Haverfordwest is from this family.

His likely birth reg in the same quarter shows motherís maiden name Swanton.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:46 GMT (UK) »
In what context did Letitia claim to be a widow in 1916?  I see that she died as Letitia Harries, widow, of Nash Wood, Llangwm, at the County Mental Hospital, Haverfordwest in 1930.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline tobyboy

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 5
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 March 19 21:54 GMT (UK) »
Letitia claimed to be a widow in 1916 while appearing before an army tribunal at Haverfordwest to try and save one of her sons being called up for military service, according to a report in a local newspaper at the time.

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 March 19 22:00 GMT (UK) »
I see that she started out entering herself as ďHeadĒ of household in the last census, before it was amended.  The enumerator entered her over the page as the head of the family.  I wonder whether in fact John James was long gone by this time, and later calling herself ďwidowĒ was a cover for abandonment or estrangement?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

Offline tobyboy

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 5
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 March 19 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Same thought had occurred to me - perhaps she was confused or ashamed when completing the 1911 Census - or someone suggested he may be a hospital patient? Strange how we cannot find another record for him.

Offline avm228

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 22,327
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John James Harries
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 March 19 23:21 GMT (UK) »
Ah yes - could be J H, 41 b Freystrop, in the Carmarthen Asylum (though age slightly out as he would have been 39). One often finds that patients/inmates (especially in asylums) were anonymised by the use of initials rather than full names.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)