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Louisa Kernen
« on: Monday 04 March 19 11:45 GMT (UK) »
Am trying to find where in Ireland Louisa Kernen was born and the rest of her family.

I know she married George Cadle in Liverpool in 1875.  The certificate states that her father John was deceased and he was a grocer by trade.  The marriage was witnessed by a Robert Kernen - maybe brother.

However, I cannot find who her mother was or where they came from in Ireland or what year they came over to Liverpool.

Any help or ideas of how to solve this greatly appreciated.  Many thanks
Holding, Liverpool / Cooper, Birmingham / Leather, Cheshire / Bowman, Ireland / Cadle, Liverpool /  Broady, Cheshire / White, Liverpool / Dodd, Liverpool / Dodd, Birmingham / Lea Cheshire / Higham Liverpool /Plant Cheshire

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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 March 19 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Possible match for her brother below ?
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 March 19 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Marriage: 14 Jul 1890 St Cuthbert, Everton, Lancashire, England
Robert James Kernen - 31, Sailor, Bachelor, 4 Viceroy Street
Elizabeth Wynn - (X), 24, Spinster, 4 Viceroy Street
    Groom's Father: John Kernen, Deceased, Shop Keeper
    Bride's Father: James Wynn, Sailor
    Witness: Charles Parkin; Sophia Griffiths
    Married by Banns by: Henry Lionel James Vicar.
    Register: Marriages 1878 - 1899, Page 103, Entry 205
    Source: LDS Film 2147911
MCHUGH {mayo/manchester}   OHora,MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago}  KENNY{Manchester}   TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester}  LEE{Colne,manchester,Cheshire} VENABLES {Styal.Cheshire} PAYTON {Staffs/Manchester}McCARTHY{TIPPERARY/MANCHESTER}  EAMES/AMS/HEAMES/HAMES/AYMES {Wilmslow/Manchester} Eames/Aymes  {Ireland/Manchester/Cheshire
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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 March 19 12:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the info.  I hadn't come across it before.  :)
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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 March 19 13:08 GMT (UK) »
There is a John Kernan grocer (aged 80) died in 1873 at 88 Camden St, Dublin. Listed as a widower.
There is an Elizabeth Kernan dead, also in Dublin South, 1871 death which it might be worth ordering the cert for.

Elizabeth Kernan
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Dublin South
Deceased Age at Death   56
Returns Year   1871
Returns Quarter   4
Returns Volume No   17
Returns Page No   511

If you think that John might be 'yours', they were a well known family.
See http://www.dublincity.ie/image/libraries/dixon-016
Coffey, Cummins, Cummins [Skirke, Laois], Curran, Dillon [Clare], Fogarty [Garran, Laois/Tipp], Hughes, Keshan (Keeshan), Loughman [Killadooley, Laois], Mallon [Armagh], Malone, Markham [Caherkine, Clare], McKeon(e) [Sligo/Kilkenny/Waterford], McNamara, Meagher, Prescott [Kilkenny/Waterford/Wexford?], Rafferty, Ryan, Sullivan, Tobin
GEDMatch: T665306 tested with Family Tree DNA
GEDCOM file: 1980344

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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 March 19 13:22 GMT (UK) »
This may be a complete red herring but...


There are two baptisms in Aghada in Co. Cork in May 1863
LINK to Church record
On the 17th Robert s/o John KERNAN and Georgina SMITH
Sponsors: Michael HURLEY & Mary MEADE

and on the 25th Louisa d/o  John KERNAN and Georgina SMITH
Sponsors: William BARRY & Honoria HOLMES

There is also a William baptised aged about 12 in 1855
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 March 19 13:41 GMT (UK) »
There is this entry in 1881 although the age of Robert does not fit with the age of the Robert who married Elizabeth Wynn. He is with a brother John and family.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-DQ24

There are birth records which show that John Kernenís wife could be Kate Burke.

The baptism of Catherine Kernan 1874 shows Robert Kernan as her Godfather.

This could be Robertís wife Elizabeth in 1911 with a son Robert
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT7-H4M

Whilst there is a married Robert born abt 1854 in the Workhouse
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTH-X9X

Birthplace shown as Queenstown, Cork.
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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 March 19 13:43 GMT (UK) »
Forgot to post that there is a birth 1874

Georgina Kate Kernan mmn Burke - might this be Catherine in the baptism record.

Interesting first name re the record myluck posted.
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Re: Louisa Kernen
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 March 19 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Marriage September 1873 Liverpool vol 8b pg 485
John Kernen and Catherine Burke
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