TWAS look up Newcastle St Johns - marriage and baptism

[judith54]

Hi All

I have given myself a headache with this so thought would ask for help from someone who visits TWAS. I am researching my Whinfield family and need assistance with the following:-

1) William Sweet married Ann Winskell by banns at Newcastle St Johns 24/7/1832 - this was seen from BT (as you can see Winskell is very close to Whinfield) however I believe Ann Sweet died aged 28 Oct-Dec 1839. There is a birth on freebmd for Mary Sweet Jul-Sep 1837 with mothers surname as Winskell so presume surname is correct
2) William then married Elizabeth 9/8/1840 also at N/cle St John. My problem is that freebmd has the surname of Elizabeth as Robson as does familysearch however the mothers surname for William & Elizabeth's children is Whinfield (in fact one son has Whinfield as his middle name)
Children - Jane Margaret Sweet born June 1841   Mary Elizabeth Sweet Jul-Sep 1842  Richard Whinfield Sweet Oct-Dec 1843

I haven't been able to find a death of Elizabeth Sweet just after marrying William nor a marriage of William to Elizabeth Whinfield (he died Nov 1851)

Can some one check in Newcastle St John to;-

i)  confirm surnames of both William's wives i.e. Ann & Elizabeth
ii) if marriage entry is copy of wedding certificate what is the name of Elizabeth's father & his trade

Thank you for any assistance with this conundrum
Judith

[c-side]

I wasn't going to TWAS but did look them up at Woodhorn for you 

The surnames are correct though there is a possibility that Winskell could be Winskill.

Elizabeth's father was called Thomas - occupation Miller

Christine

[judith54]

Thank you Christine

Another theory disproved will just have to keep looking for a marriage of William Sweet to Elizabeth Whinfield (father Richard).

Thanks for your help
Judith 

[trish1120]

Jane Margaret Sweet born June 1841   Mary Elizabeth Sweet Jul-Sep 1842  Richard Whinfield Sweet Oct-Dec 1843
I really don think those children are William/Elizabeths although I cant prove it at present;


1851 we have;
William Sweet, 39
Elizabeth Sweet, 37, born Hexham
William Sweet, 15
Ann Sweet, 9
Margaret Sweet, 7
Ellen Sweet, 2
Thomas Sweet, 6 mths


1861 we have;
Elizabeth Sweet, 56, Head, Widow, Laundress, born Hexham
William Sweet, 24
Ann Sweet, 19
Thomas Sweet, 10
George B Sweet, 8
Elizabeth Sweet, 5
Margaret A Sweet, 3
William Knox, 50
George Hall, 25

GEORGE BELL Sweet Bapt 18 Jan 1853 to WILLIAM/ELIZABETH

1871 Census
Thomas Routledge, 37
Mary Routledge, 33, born Hexham
John Routledge, 10
William Routledge, 7
Thomas Routledge, 5
George Routledge, 3
Eleanor Routledge, 1
Thomas Sweet, 20, Other relative****
George Sweet, 18, Other relative****

As you know Thomas married Mary Sweet.

I also think William died 1856;
SWEET, WILLIAM  age 45 
GRO Reference: 1856  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 23

The 1851 William was age 33

ELIZABETH Robson Bapt 9 June 1814 Hexham to THOMAS/DOROTHY

Marriage at John's Parish Church, Newcastle on 9? Aug 1840 of William Sweet, Widower (House Carpenter) & Elizabeth Robson, Spinster**; both of full age & of this Parish. Fathers = William Sweet (Cabinet Maker, deceased) & Thomas Robson (Miller).

[judith54]

Thank you Trish 

The details given below are fantastic however it proves that they are not my family. I will have to keep looking for William Sweet marrying Elizabeth Whinfield. 'My' William Sweet was a clerk - 1841c and solicitors managing clerk 1851c

best wishes
Judith

[c-side]

I have checked the Northumberland marriage index which covers all marriages in the county from 1813 to civil registration in 1837.  There is no William Sweet/Elizabeth Whinstone marriage so that suggests a marriage after 1st. July 1837 and, if they were married in England, you should be able to find them on freebmd.

[Millmoor]

Just in case you have not seen it there is a will for a William Sweet where he leaves everything to his wife Elizabeth and in a codicil dated 27 Oct 1851 names his brother in law Richard Cuthbertson Whinfield  as a further executor. The testator died 7 Nov 1851.The will was proved 2 April 1852 (Elizabeth Sweet and Richard Cuthbertson Whinfield, grocer duly sworn).

William

[Millmoor]

An ancestry tree has the birth cert and baptism of Mary Sweet daughter of William and Ann - William's occupation is joiner. I, therefore, do not think this William is yours.

William Sweet and Elizabeth Whinfield actually appear to have had 7 children : Jane Margaret,Mary Elizabeth, Richard Whinfield, Stephen Bulman 1846 -died 1846, Stephen Bulman 1847, William John 1845 - died 1846 and William John 1849.

Have you considered that they did not marry or even perhaps a Border irregular marriage?

1861 census has Elizabeth married to Henry T Scrivener - children Jane Margaret, Stephen and Wlliam are with her.

William

[trish1120]

RICHARD CUTHBERTSON Whinfield Bapt 12 Jul 1811 St Mary Gateshead
Birth 29 May 1809
Parents RICHARD/JANE
Mother nee BELL
Father a Iron Founder
Child entered on register as 3rd Daughter***. Father native of Cornhill, Mother daughter of George BELL of Coldstream.

*** I think should read 3rd Son

Sister ELIZABETH Bapt same day, Birth 14 Jun 1811, 4th Daug. She was buried 07 Apr 1812 age 1

Other children;
WM ANTHONY Bapt 21 June 1802, birth 1801 1st Son
ANN same day, birth 1799 1st Daug
JANE 1803 birth 1803 2nd Daug
MARY 1805 birth 1805 3rd Daug
GEORGE HENRY 1808 birth 1806 2nd Son

There is a JOHN/MARY Whinfield Bapt children at the same time and they name a Daug MARY CUTHBERTON Whinfield 1806 (born 1804)
He is a Iron Founder also.