Reg. No. for my grandfather's 2nd Royal Irish Fusiliers

[gazza1966]

Hi There,

I'm wondering if anyone can please help me on locating my grandfather's Regimental Number with the 2nd Royal Irish Fusiliers, this is what info i have:

                               WILLIAM FREDERICK FLANAGAN b.1886 Waterford Ireland.

1909 Marriage : (Private) with Irish Fusiliers at Salamanca Barracks, Aldershot.

1911 UK Census : (Private) with 2 Royal Irish Fusiliers at Quetta Baluchistan, India.

1915 Marriage : Residence: Victoria Barracks, Cork, Ireland. (Sergt Master Tailor Leinster Regt)
1916 Marriage : Residence: 3 mount Vernon Terrace, Cork, Ireland. (Sergt Leinster Regt)

On William's death information :
William F. Flanagan Regiment : London Regiment, Labour Corps Reg. No. 488111, 5027.
                                                                   London Regiment Reg. No. 535432.


PS: Sorry if i'm dumb is Royal Irish Fusiliers and Leinster Regiment and London Regiment the same regiment.


Regards
  Gary
   

[crisane]

No they are different regiments but servicemen were moved around to where they were most needed and sometimes given a new service number. I think after 1920? even if they were moved they kept the same regiment number.

The UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 has a William FRANCIS Flanagan with the London Regiment.
Regimental number 535432
Sub Unit -   15th (County of London) Battalion (P.W.O. Civil Service Rifles)

Were all the units and service numbers you give actually on his death certificate?

[crisane]

This one is for William Frederick Flanagan
UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
William Frederick Flanagan
Rank Private
Medals Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal
Regiment or Corps -Labour Corps
Regimental number    488111
Previous Units - 5027 Rfm. 12-Lond. R.
.

[gazza1966]

Hi crisane,

Thankyou for answering my message, my grandfather died in Aldershot, but his ashes were scatted in a cemetery in Co Down, N.Ireland.

The priest had information on my grandfather and his army numbers.

Would you know if there are such Reg No's for him and his Royal Irish Fusiliers.

Gary   

[crisane]

You say your grandfather married in 1909 but the 1911 census reference you give with him in India has him as a single man and there are no wife or children with the surname Flanagan with the company in India. Of course they may not have gone with them.
I think you need to do your own research starting with what you know to be fact.
Is his birth date and place correct? did you follow him back from your father's marriage and birth certificates so you are sure you have the correct records for your grandfather?
Three marriages? 1909, 1915 and 1916? Are you sure of this? Do you have the marriage certificates?

[crisane]

I can see a marriage in 1909 to either a Kate Bulpitt or a Lydia Harriet Froude Registration district    Basingstoke. Is one of these women your grandmother?
Then this one in Cork
William Frederick Flanagan
Date of Registration   June 1/4, 1916
Registration district Cork, Ireland
Vol 5 Page 86
FHL Film 101263
Married one of these women
Ellen O'Keeffe
Annie Murphy
Mary Murphy
Cecilia Catherine Moore

[crisane]

The UK, WWI Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920 has a William FRANCIS Flanagan with the London Regiment.
Regimental number 535432
Sub Unit -   15th (County of London) Battalion (P.W.O. Civil Service Rifles)

A William Francis Flanagan married Victoria V Irvine Southampton reg dist 1917. They are together in the 1939 register. His birth is registered Dec 1/4 1883 Dublin North reg Dist.
William Frederick Flanagan is also on the 1939 register with his wife Cecilia Catherine and numerous children, some of which have their names redacted.

[gazza1966]

Hi Crisane,

Just a couple of weeks back i found out William married in 1909 to Kate Bulpitt, and my mother and aunts didnt know anything about it, and come to them a complete shock.

He married twice in 1915 and 1916 in Cork to my grandmother Cecilia Catherine Moore, 1915 in a C of I church, and 1916 in a RC church

Yes i have the 3 marriage certs.

Maybe i have to look into the records at the National Archives at kew for his Royal Irish Fusiliers Reg. No.

Gary

[jim1]

His medal roll indicates he went overseas first with 12/London Regt. with no. 5027 which gives an attestation or transfer date of Feb./March 1916. As the London Regt. was TF he was then given the no. 535432 as part of the reorganisation of the TF in 1917.
He was then transferred to the Lab. Corps with no. 488111. It's possible he was wounded or suffered illness which rendered him less than A1 fit & posted to the LC which was a common route for such men.
Although it doesn't answer your question he could have joined the RIF as early as 1904 so could have had a number around 8290 as this was the start of the sequence in Jan. of that year. By 1909 service numbers were around 10300.