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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #9 on: Friday 08 March 19 04:11 GMT (UK) »
My ancestor arrived as an exile on the ‘Maitland’ at Port Phillip in 1846. 

I’m at work but at home I’m sure I have some docs signed by Queen Victoria stating something about his freedom as long as he doesn’t return to England!

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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #10 on: Friday 08 March 19 13:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bitzar,

Could you please confirm who your "Exile" ancestor off the Maitland was, especially if he had been an ex-Parkhurst Prison juvenile.......I would be very grateful.

Thank you,

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #11 on: Friday 08 March 19 23:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again BAC3

My ancestor was William NEWEY.  I have chatted to you before about HOWLETT who was of interest to you but I canít link him to mine even though I think they were both from Suffolk.

Bitzar
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 09 March 19 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Bitzar,

Thank you for replying.

William NEWEY was not ex-Parkhurst Prison (too old!!) and therefore outside my research.   However, he seems to have come from Leicestershire not Suffolk as did Henry HOWLETT.......our correspondence was 4 years ago now.

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 09 March 19 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Yes BAC3

I was referring to the Howlettís both being from Suffolk.  Maybe connected somewhere, just donít know where.

Bitzar.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 09 March 19 12:09 GMT (UK) »
My ancestor arrived as an exile on the ĎMaitlandí at Port Phillip in 1846. 

Iím at work but at home Iím sure I have some docs signed by Queen Victoria stating something about his freedom as long as he doesnít return to England!

Bitzar.

The Pardon you are likely referring to would be a Conditional Pardon .... the main condition being that he did not return to England.   A Free Pardon would be without Conditions.  Jomot has shown that our OPs chap was taken off the Hashemy before it left England and  he was then awarded a free pardon ,  so he did not come to NSW on that voyage.

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Effectively the free pardon undid the sentence of transportation beyond the seas.  Perhaps he is to be found on 1851 and later Census.
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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 09 March 19 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Slightly confused by the use of the term 'exile' instead of convict.
Exile is a general term. Convict is more accurate I would think

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 09 March 19 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Slightly confused by the use of the term 'exile' instead of convict.
Exile is a general term. Convict is more accurate I would think

Convict-Exile refers to a specific period after convictism had effectively ceased to what was, at that time, New South  Wales.  Those transported as Convict-Exiles had already served part of their sentence in prisons in Britain and were males and selected.  They were not kept behind bars once landed in NSW.  This was in the late 1840s. 

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Re: Convicts on the ship "Hashemy" arrived 9th June 1849
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 09 March 19 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello sallyyorks,

Lord Stanley instructed George Gipps on 27/07/1844 that:

       ......he would be sending to Port Phillip prisoners who had served a term of between
       one and two years under special discipline in the new model prison at Pentonville. 
       Here it was hoped they would have been 'reformed' and could go out not as convicts
       but as 'exiles', with conditional pardons to begin a new life in a new country.

Eventually the instructions extended to both Millbank and Parkhurst Prisons.

For the moment,

BAC3