Confused about Matthew Trow

[gemmanoon]

Hello all,

I could do with some help with Matthew Trow, one of my ancestors.

I have him on the 1851 census, alongside his wife, Jane, born about 1783 in Manafon, Montgomeryshire.

Working backwards, I believe he married Jane Wynne on March 27, 1804, in Kerry, where they had four children (Matthew, Sarah, Hannah, Edward).

There seem to be two possible births for Matthew, neither in Manafon -

1777 to Thomas Trow and Hester Morris in Ceri, or:
1778  as an illegitimate son of Jane Trow in Mochdre.

and of course, the third possibility that no record exists online yet.

Having perused the trees of other genealogists, I think it's fair to say no one seems to agree which option is our ancestor, and there are several branches of the Trow family around in that time period, so I'm struggling to pull them apart.

Personally, I was leaning toward the 1778 option, as Matthew's Banns are signed by a William Trow, and Jane had a large number of illegitimate children, including one called William. Even though Mathew is born in Mochdre, his baptism record states that Jane Trow is of Kerry, which would explain why he ends up there.

The evidence around Hester and Thomas, however, ties more firmly into Ceri, as they were married there, although Hester is from Trefelgwys. Other than that, there's nothing clear I can find to assume it's this couple.

Any advice on how I can pull the records of the two Matthews apart, and work out which one is my ancestor?

Many thanks,

Gemma

[DCB]

There is a burial of a Matthew Trow in Ceri on 26th Oct 1789. No age is given but his abode, although not very clear, looks like Kailiberuchaf.

The son of Thomas and Hesther was born in Caeliber Uchaf.

David

[osprey]

But there is another Mathew Trow on the 1841 census

Cletterwood, Welshpool HO107/1442/1 folio 5 pg 3
Mathew Trow 53 ag lab
Margaret  49
Thomas 14
all born in county

Haven't found the marriage as yet...

 

[osprey]

have you tried drawing up a tree for each family with residences at baptism or burial to see who fits where?

Baptisms to Jane (so far)
Matthew 12 Dec 1778 - in Mochdre, Jane noted as of Kerry
William 16 Jan 1785 Penygelly
Ann 15 July 1787 Penygelly
Benjamin Jones 29 Jan 1794 Gwernthrew
Thomas 12 March 1797 Gwernthrew
Mary 19 June 1803 Gwernthrew
James 29 Sept 1805 Kevernyberen  (Cefnyberen)

1841 Gwernthrew, Kerry HO107/1439/22 folio 5 pg 9
James Trow 35
Margaret 30
John 13
Margret 10
James 5
Mary 3
William 3 months
Jane 80 pauper
all born in county

death reg Jane Trow 80 march qtr 1842 Newtown vol 27 pg 87

I spotted another Mathew Trow baptised 25 April 1742 in Mochdre son of Thomas of Kerry who could be the one buried in 1789.

[gemmanoon]

Thanks Osprey & DCB,

it looks like the Mathew son of Thomas and Hester is the one who died in 1789, so we are assuming that the illegitimate son of Jane is our ancestor based on the place names (good eye, DCB - I pulled the records and think you are correct), on Matthew's brother, etc.

Now to find Jane's parents!

Much appreciate the help!

[DCB]

This book has the Kerry registers. If you search on Trow, you can skip through them quite quickly. There are some variations of Winn but the only one I can find for Jane is her marriage.

https://journals.library.wales/view/1238716/1241072/193#?xywh=382%2C1604%2C2006%2C1309

The early ones are children of James Trow and a copy of his will can be found on - http://discover.library.wales/primo_library/libweb/action/search.do?vid=44WHELF_NLW_VU1

Going by the 1851 census, the best match for Jane:-

Jane Wynne
Baptism date: 24 Feb 1785 Chirbury Shropshire
Daughter of John Wynne and Mary

They previously had a daughter of the same name in 1782

Nearest marriage:-
John Wynne and Mary Jones on 23 Jan 1779 in Chirbury

David

P.S. The Cirbury registers are here - http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Chirbury.html

[osprey]

I don't think it's safe to assume that the Matthew death in 1789 is the son of Thomas & Hester, the burial of a child would often show as son of, and this one doesn't.


 

[gemmanoon]

Thanks, DCB!

Osprey - I think the naming of the same farm on both the birth and death certificate makes it more likely to be the son of Thomas that died, as is the fact that a William Trow signs the marriage certificate if Matthew, and Jane's second son was William, while Thomas didn't have a son of that name. I admit it's possible they are related and that either of them could have died, but I think it's unlikely I will even be 100% sure unless I am lucky enough to find a grave inscription.

[DCB]

I agree that nothing can be certain but it does seem likely that William on the banns was the son of Jane.

William, son of Jane, was baptised on 16 Jan 1785.

A William Trow married Margaret Matthews in Ceri on 3rd May 1808.

One child, Sarah, daughter of William and Margaret, was baptised in Ceri on 7th July 1821. The abode was Caeshinkin.

William Trow of Caeshinkin, born 1785, was buried in Ceri on 29th September 1827.

I can't see another William who fits the profile.

David