So thanks to this thread I now know my ancestors William Smith, a coach trimmer of Southwark, and his wife Jane had the following children:
1.William Huntley Smith (1810–aft 1861)
2. John Walker Smith (1814–aft 1851)
3. Thomas Samuel Smith (1815–1851)
4. Henry Hugh Smith (1820–1821)
5. Charles Smith (1822–1867)
There was another couple called William and Jane Smith who had three children baptised at St Mary Lambeth (Jane 1813, Mary Ann 1815 and Clarissa 1820). William was listed as a coach maker, but the birth dates clash with the above children so they are evidently a separate couple.
I now have the following questions I am trying to answer, and would of course greatly appreciate any further assistance from anyone. Mainly though I am posting this for any other researchers who might come across it in future:
1. When did William Smith and Jane get married? It must have been prior to 1810 but given Jane's year of birth of c1780/1 it could have been from 1802 to 1809. Did she have the maiden name Huntley or Walker?
2. The 1851 census states Jane was born in c1780/1 in St John's, Surrey. Would this be St John Horsleydown?
3. Did William and Jane have other children prior to 1810 and around 1812 and 1817?
4. When did William Smith die? It took place between 1822 and 1841 but I can't find a burial. The 1821 burial of son Henry and 1837 baptism of son Charles show they were then at Webber Street, Southwark and by the 1841 census, Jane was without William with her son at 19 Great Union Street, Southwark.
5. Was their son William Huntley Smith born 1810 and baptised 1812 the same as the William Smith who in 1840 had started to have children with Susannah Langridge? She was aged 20 in the 1841 census at High Street, Sutton, with Landridge relatives. I can't find their marriage which might name his father.
1851 and 1861 census showing William Smith:
www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8860/SRYHO107_1564_1565-0340https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8767/SRYRG9_332_335-08536. Who was the John Smith aged 3 with Jane in the 1841 census? Presumably it was her grandson, but no idea who the father was. There is a September 1837 birth for John Smith in St George Southwark with a mother's maiden name of Stiles but can't track the parents' marriage!
1841 census showing Jane Smith, sons John and Charles and assumed grandson John:
www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/8978/SRYHO107_1085_1086-01877. In 1822 a Charles and Sophia Smith had a son named Henry Hugh Paris Smith baptised at Lambeth. The father was a coachmaker and deceased. Given the name Henry Hugh are the same as William's son born in 1820 and William had a son named Charles, I suspect this Charles Smith was his brother but I cannot find his marriage to Sophia or his burial in 1821/2.
Henry Hugh Paris Smith baptism:
www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1558/31280_195072-00176/Thanks again for everyone's comments and help.
I am today visiting West Norwood Cemetery where I know Jane Smith was buried in 1854 and her son Charles Smith was buried in 1867. I suspect the grave stone has been removed, but you never know!
Kind regards,
Jon
