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Offline Justin Holcroft

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Charles Edward Owtram
« on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi there, looking for help: my father-in-law, CE "Eddie" Owtram, was adopted by CEC and MI Owtram some time in the 30's to 50's, having been born Mondone in the Seychelles. I know the three of them left the UK on the ship Llanstephan Castle in 1954 to emigrate to Kenya, after which they finally arrived in South Africa sometime, I believe, in the 60's - Eddie married, divorced, married my wife's mother, divorced and married again, producing in total 6 children, before passing away in 2012. We know all the kids but are desperate to find out whether CEC and MI Owtram ever got UK citizenship for their adopted son - this would make a huge difference to my wife as we are trying to move to the UK at the moment.

Anybody any ideas how I could go about finding out? Thanks so much in advance!
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Oakes, Stoke-on-Trent
Dooley, Stoke-on-Trent
Boden, Stoke-on-Trent
Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
Baker, South Africa

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:24 GMT (UK) »
Do you know if he had a British passport?
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:36 GMT (UK) »
Is this CEC who you mention, I can't see a birth in England for this person or a marriage

Death Mar qtr 1967 
Owtram    Charles E C   age 64   
Reading    6a   160   

You seem unsure about when he was adopted by CEC & MI - Have you found the family on the 1939 register
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Is exactly what I'm trying to find out  ;D

By the time we started piecing everything about his life together, we were only aware of his South African citizenship. He was an absolute master at compartmentalising his past, evidenced by the fact that his first family only found out about his third wife at his funeral.... ;D

We are trying to find out if my wife qualifies for UK citizenship either directly or through double descent...would make our move to the UK so much easier
Holcroft, Warrington
Oakes, Stoke-on-Trent
Dooley, Stoke-on-Trent
Boden, Stoke-on-Trent
Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
Baker, South Africa

Offline GrahamSimons

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Looks like C Owtram in Kenya in 1925; on the list of European jurors in the Kenya Gazette (15th April 1925), from Rongai.

As far as I can see not on 1939 Register (which would make sense if in Kenya by 1925)
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie99, and thanks: we think that CEC spent most of his life in Kenya - there is a record of him leaving the UK for Mombasa in 1922. Can't find him or MI on the 39 register. Not sure but we believe MI - known as Imelda - was originally French (just to confuse things further  ;D)
Holcroft, Warrington
Oakes, Stoke-on-Trent
Dooley, Stoke-on-Trent
Boden, Stoke-on-Trent
Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
Baker, South Africa

Offline rosie99

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:46 GMT (UK) »
There is passenger list in 1955 which states Charles Edward Owtram bn 1902 occ a Civil servant. Travelling with him were his wife Marie Imelda and a daughter who was born in 1945 - no mention of a the younger CE. They were travelling to Mombassa

ADDED There is a 1951 list that mentions 10 year old Master CE
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Rosie99 that's a new one....all I have seen is CEC and Marie Imelda leaving on the Llanstephan Castle in 1951 - the plot thickens...
Holcroft, Warrington
Oakes, Stoke-on-Trent
Dooley, Stoke-on-Trent
Boden, Stoke-on-Trent
Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
Baker, South Africa