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Offline Justin Holcroft

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks GrahamSimons - have fired off a request!
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Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 14 March 19 11:54 GMT (UK) »
There is passenger list in 1955 which states Charles Edward Owtram bn 1902 occ a Civil servant. Travelling with him were his wife Marie Imelda and a daughter who was born in 1945 - no mention of a the younger CE. They were travelling to Mombassa

ADDED There is a 1951 list that mentions 10 year old Master CE
Master CE is the one we are looking for!
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 14 March 19 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Thereís an incoming passenger list arriving London April 1951 with mum and dad on one page and 2 children on the second eldest child Charles E aged 10. They have come from Uganda. Maybe Charles stayed in the UK for school. An address in Rye Sussex is given.

In August 1951 the whole family are travelling back to Uganda leaving the ship at Mombasa.

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 14 March 19 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Thereís an incoming passenger list arriving London April 1951 with mum and dad on one page and 2 children on the second eldest child Charles E aged 10. They have come from Uganda. Maybe Charles stayed in the UK for school. An address in Rye Sussex is given.

Looks like a possible 3-year stay in the UK....so my wife's grandparents on her father's side would definitely seem to be UK citizens: which just now begs the double-descent question....thanks!
Holcroft, Warrington
Oakes, Stoke-on-Trent
Dooley, Stoke-on-Trent
Boden, Stoke-on-Trent
Owtram, Plymouth, Kenya, South Africa
Baker, South Africa

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 14 March 19 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Thereís an incoming passenger list arriving London April 1951 with mum and dad on one page and 2 children on the second eldest child Charles E aged 10. They have come from Uganda. Maybe Charles stayed in the UK for school. An address in Rye Sussex is given.

I had also wondered whether he was likely to be schooled in England however they all returned to Mombasa in August of that year.
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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 14 March 19 13:02 GMT (UK) »
The 1922 travel record shows the address as Farnham, Surrey.  Occupation Clerk.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 14 March 19 13:10 GMT (UK) »
I think they must have just been on an extended stay in the UK as they return to Uganda after 5 months.

Do you have a marriage certificate for the father and if yes does it give any other useful information?

On the passenger list coming into London in 1955 it asks for the  country of which a citizen is shown on passport if citizen of UK show country in passport issued. Charles Edward his wife Marie Imelda and daughter all give UK/Uganda which I think means that they are all UK citizens but their passports were issued in Uganda. Unfortunately Charles the son isnít with them.

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 14 March 19 13:14 GMT (UK) »
In the 1911 census there is a Charles Owtram born 1903.  Now what intrigues me is what has been put in the Birth place column. It says New Zealand Auckland Resident.

I would assume from that that Charles lived there but wasn't born there.  What does anyone else think.

Address is The Red House Haslemere, Haslemere, Surrey - Head of household is a schoolmaster.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Charles Edward Owtram
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 14 March 19 13:23 GMT (UK) »
There are some online trees showing Charles born New Zealand
Middx - VAUS, ROBERTS, EVERSFIELD, INMAN, STAR, HOLBECK, WYATT, BICKFORD, SMITH, REDWOOD
Hants - SMALL, HAMMERTON, GRIST, FRYER, TRODD, WOODFORD, CROUTEAR, BECK, BENDELL, KEEPING, HARDING
Kent - BAYLY, BORER, MITCHELL, PLANE, VERNON, FARRANCE, CHAPMAN, MEDHURST, LOMAX, WYATT, IDEN
Devon - TOPE, BICKFORD, FOSTER
YKS - QUIRK, McGUIRE, BENN
Nott/Derbs - SLACK
Herts - BARNES
L'pool- PLUMBE
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