Author Topic: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker  (Read 166 times)

Offline KHF

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 2
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« on: Thursday 14 March 19 20:40 GMT (UK) »
My wifeís maiden name was Crawford. She is known to family and friends as Edna.

I am currently working on the Walker branch of Ednaís family tree and I have been unable to find records of the birth and the death of her great grandfather John Walker. Ancestry, Scotlands People, Find My Past and Family Search searches - including wild card, fuzzy and sounds like - have drawn a blank.

I should be grateful for any help that points me in the direction of online records of John Walkerís birth and death - I am unable to visit to the Archives in Edinburgh.

Record images I have for John Walker suggest he was born around 1852 and 1855 - about the time Civil Registration replaced a system overseen by the Churches. The info about John extracted from the images includes:-

1861 - aged 6 eg born 1855 Inveresk, Midlothian

1871 - Railway labourer, a boarder at Cauld Coats [Farm], Newton, Midlothian, Scotland, aged 18 e.g born 1853 Inveresk Midlothian

1881 - Fireman Gas Works, 38, New Street, Edinburgh, aged 29 e.g born 1852 Musselburgh Midlothian

1891 - Fireman Gas Works, 57 Canongate (3 Forsythís Close, Edinburgh, aged 39 e.g born 1852 Musselburgh, Midlothian

1901 - Fireman Gas Works, 4 Chessels Court, Edinburgh, aged 49 e.g born 1852 Musselburgh, Midlothian

1911 Labourer Gas Works, 6 Wilsons Court, 134 Canongate, Edinburgh, aged 59 e.g born 1852 Musselburgh, Midlothian

31 Dec 1874 John married Helen Denholm in the Church of Scotland, 3 St Johns Street, Edinburgh.

1 Apr 1875 Janet [Jessie] Walker was John and Helenís first of 10 Children, 4 girls and 6 boys.

The direct line ancestors in the same line as John Walker are:-

Edward Crawford  born 4/3/1904, Married 13/7/1928, died 16/4/1984 - Ednaís father
Margaret Geoghegan born 11/10/1909, died 6/1/1983 - Ednaís mother

Edward Murphy Crawford born 22/7/1875, married 6/9/1901, died 10/5/1917 -Ednaís grandfather
Janet [Jessie] Walker born 1/4/1875, died 21/12/1944 - Ednaís grandmother

John Walker born ?, married 31/12/1874, died ? - Edna's great-grandfather
Helen Denholm born 9/10/1853, died 24/5/1907 Ednaís great-grandmother

Joan [also known as Joanna or Johanna] Walker born 24/2/1816, died 8/4/1884 - Ednaís great-great-grandmother - census records suggest Joan may not have married

Robert Walker born 6/12/1794, married 6/3/1813, died 6/4/1843 - Ednaís great-great-great-grandfather
Margaret Howdon [Howden] born 3/4/1786, died 15/4/1851 - Ednaís great-great-great-grandmother

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,133
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 March 19 20:46 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat, khf,

You have:

31 Dec 1874 John married Helen Denholm in the Church of Scotland, 3 St Johns Street, Edinburgh.

What other information is on that certificate?

Who is with him on the 1861 census?

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,133
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 March 19 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Just putting 1851 household:

Margaret Walker   67
Joan Walker   35
Margaret Walker   11
Marion Mamillan   7
James Taylor   1

and 1861:
Joanna Walker   45
Margt A Walker   21
James Walker   10
John Walker   6


Offline chempat

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,133
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 March 19 20:54 GMT (UK) »
Do you think that James and John have the same, or different, fathers to Margaret's?

Have you found James's and Margaret's births?

Offline KirstyG

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,215
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 14 March 19 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the marriage records for any of John and Helen's 10 children? If any of them list him as deceased it would give a year range to search.
Galloway,   Landers,   Lindsay,  Gillespie,  Irvine
Erskine,   McAdam,  Hawthorn
Robertson,   Duncan,   Edmonstone,    Black
Anderson,  Nicholson,  Crombie,  MacDonald
Arch, Herbert, Charlesworth, Chapman

Offline Forfarian

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,917
  • I HAVE edited my profile - several times!
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 March 19 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry, Scotlands People, Find My Past and Family Search searches - including wild card, fuzzy and sounds like - have drawn a blank.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
Researching

AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

Offline Annette7

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,296
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 March 19 02:10 GMT (UK) »
You'll have to purchase some credits to view the certificate on Scotlands People but John Walker died 24/7/1935 Canongate.

Annette
Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide)
Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline KHF

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 2
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 March 19 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your help

chempat

I have the same info re the 1851 & 1861 households.

The info about Johnís family on the record of his 31 Dec 1874 marriage is:-

Occupation: Stoker, Gas Works

Status: Bachelor

Age: 22

Usual Address: 38 New Street, Edinburgh

Name, profession etc of father: None

Name and maiden name of mother: Joan Walker

Helenís address, father and mother: 160 Canongate, Edinburgh, James Denholm, Malster, Janet Denholm m.s. Anderson - respectively.

I have no info about the father(s) of James and John.

The records of Johnís marriage and his death have no info about his father.

The record of Margaretís marriage says her father was Robert Walker, Joiner. The father of Johnís mother, Joan, was Robert Walker (1794 to 1843) and the 1841 census says he was a joiner.

Joan's 1861 and 1871 census records have her status as unmarried.

Her status in her 1881 census record is difficult to decipher. It could be interpreted as either unmarried or widow.

The record of Joan's death gives her status as Single.

Annette

Thanks for the date of death I now have a copy of the image of the record of Johnís birth.

Offline Forfarian

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 8,917
  • I HAVE edited my profile - several times!
    • View Profile
Re: Help needed to find Birth and Death records for John Walker
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 March 19 14:43 GMT (UK) »
1861 - aged 6 eg born 1855 Inveresk, Midlothian
If he was aged 6 on census day 1861 (30 March) then assuming that his age is accurate he was born between 31 March 1954 and 30 March 1855 - in other words, he is three times more likely to have been born in 1854, before the start of civil registration, than in 1855. ('Calculating' a year of birth by subtracting the age from the census year gives the wrong answer three times out of four.)

Quote
1871 - Railway labourer, a boarder at Cauld Coats [Farm], Newton, Midlothian, Scotland, aged 18 e.g born 1853 Inveresk Midlothian
1881 - Fireman Gas Works, 38, New Street, Edinburgh, aged 29 e.g born 1852 Musselburgh Midlothian
Inveresk is in the parish of Musselburgh.
Researching

AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith