Trying to trace the ancestors of John BLACKWELL, born c. 1790 Stokenchurch

[nong43]

Hello

I'm aware that the Blackwells have been covered to some extent in this thread,

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=663392.0

but I felt for clarity's sake that it was better to start a new one. I'm looking for the ancestors of my 4x-great-grandfather John BLACKWELL.

On both the 1841 and 1851 censuses (the former of which Ancestry has mistranscribed as "Blacknell"), he is listed as a wheelwright, and the latter states his birthplace as Stokenchurch.

I have a will dated 1792 for a John Blackwell, a Stokenchurch farmer, who had sons named John, William, Richard, James and Henry (Henry was not of full age at the time) and a daughter Elizabeth. There's no mention of a wife as far as I can see, so I presume she predeceased him.

If this John is anything to do with mine, I would think he'd be the younger John's grandfather, but this is speculation. If anyone might be able to shed a bit of light on this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Martin

(I've already posted this question here --> https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=809989.0, but I don't think it's the right place (I did alert the mods, but it hasn't been moved)

[bucksboy]

From OxFHS - Stokenchurch Transcripts.

John Blackhall, baptised 8 Nov 1789, to William & Sarah.

I'll look for the marriage of William & Sarah.

Steve.

[bucksboy]

Marriage - From OxFHS Marriage Index. 1538-1837.

Checking OxFHS Lewknor Transcripts, witnesses are John Aldridge & William Lipscom.  And both were of the Parish.

William Blackwell to Sarah Aldridge. 16 May 1789 @ Lewknor, Oxfordshire.

2 other baptisms in Stokenchurch, to William & Sarah.

Rebecca. 23 Feb 1792.
Pheobe. 14 Sept 1794.

John Blackwell death in 1858. Registered Wycombe. O/N/D. Qtr. aged 67.

Steve.

[nong43]

Thanks once again, Steve. It wouldn't have occurred to me to think William (husband of Sarah) might have pronounced his name "Blackhall"/"Blackall". That certainly seems more likely than John being the son of Richard Blackwell and Rebecca Welch of Monks Risborough.

I believe I may have stumbled upon Sarah's baptism on 4 August 1771 in Lewknor, to William and Elizabeth.

Martin

[bucksboy]

Blackwell, Blackall, is written as heard, and if you've heard the Bucks dialect, you'd understand.......I can hear my Dad speak at this very moment. He was Bucks born and bred, and never moved out 'Princus Risbru'.

His sister, my Aunt, was far worse than ee' wuuz, for the Bucks dialect.  Bless her.!

Steve.

[nong43]

My nan, who, despite being born in Caversham, lived almost all her life in Bucks used to often talk about "gooin' dehn tehn", as well as referring to bovine creatures as "kehs". My accent is much, much closer to standard English, although "like" will occasionally emerge as a very mild "loik".

I can't see anyone on Ancestry actively researching the Blackwells and Aldridges, so it looks like it's up to me to do most of the groundwork.

Martin

[bucksboy]

My nan, who, despite being born in Caversham, lived almost all her life in Bucks used to often talk about "gooin' dehn tehn", as well as referring to bovine creatures as "kehs". My accent is much, much closer to standard English, although "like" will occasionally emerge as a very mild "loik".

I can't see anyone on Ancestry actively researching the Blackwells and Aldridges, so it looks like it's up to me to do most of the groundwork.

Martin

I have Blackwells (and Aldridges), and the usual variations.......from West Wycombe and Princes Risborough and Great Kimble, but not Monks Risborough(yet) for Blackwells.  I'm half sure they all connect, but proving it is another thing.

Is it time to do a Generational Blackwell tree on it's own, I ask.

Steve.

[nong43]

Is it time to do a Generational Blackwell tree on it's own, I ask.

Steve.

If you did, I'd be interested in seeing it! You wouldn't happen to know where the Blackwells were before the Oxon/Bucks borders, by any chance? 

Martin